Hole Bagging

Alan Dawson’s new list is as relevant today as it was when first publicised...

Friday 01 April 2011 12:01 AM GMT
Last updated at Friday 01 April 2011 09:27 AM GMT 

Marilyn man goes underground for a hole new list

Avril Paradis  

Alan Dawson on his way to find Mad Allen's Hole. Photo: Myrddyn Philliips

He was the man who popularised the concept of relativity in hillwalking and introduced the marilyn to munros. 

Alan Dawson figured it wasn’t just the height of a mountain that mattered, but the drop between it and the next – as that was the amount of footslogging needed to summit the hill.

His book The Relative Hills of Britain listed more than 2,000 marilyns – a hill with a prominence of at least 150m, a bagger’s dream, though as Dawson pointed out, it would take a very determined box ticker to complete the whole list. At one per week, it would take more than 38 years to complete them all. 

Dawson also helped list the Hewitts: hills in England, Wales and Ireland over two thousand feet – again with a drop, this time of just 30m. 

Mr Dawson has also suggested metric versions of the munro list, replacing the somewhat arbitrary height of 914.4m – or 3,000ft in old money – with the more système international-friendly 900m. But, having exhausted the list possibilities for baggers above ground, Dawson turned his attention to the relatively unknown potential underneath walkers’ feet. His new project, revealed today, is The Relative Holes of Britain. 

He said: “Some people get a bit jaded with climbing hills, and we were looking for some type of radical new challenge that still gets you out into the countryside. “I started looking at maps again.  

There were several years when I couldn’t face it; I was physically sick if I looked at a map, because I’d spent so much of my life looking at them. 

“But then I had some counselling sessions and they involved aversion therapy so the map got closer and closer to me, so I finally got to the stage where I was able to look at a map again. 

“But it was with new eyes; so instead of focusing on hills, I started looking at the inverse of hills, which of course, is holes in the ground.”  

He is currently working on the project, working out how many there are and the criteria for inclusion. His search began, appropriately, at Mad Allen’s Hole on Bickerton Hill in Cheshire and amateur hill sleuth Myrddyn Phillips interviewed him about the Relative Holes at the site, near Raw Head. 

In it, he explains the difficulty of deciding what counts as a bagging of holes: do you just walk round, peer in, or do you have to touch the bottom for it to count. There is even, says Dawson, an Inaccessible Hole to match the munrobaggers’ Inaccessible Pinnacle on the Skye Cuillin. 

Many of the holes in question are not surveyed, so various techniques are being tested to determine their depth, such as throwing down a rock attached to a piece of string; sending down dogs, and sending down children. 

It is, says, Mr Dawson, a major task. He is also looking for a name for the relative holes, to match the marilyn sobriquet applied to his hills list.  

Meanwhile, suggestions for the list include Boggart’s Roaring Holes on the southern slopes of Ingleborough, the Hole of Horcum in the North York Moors, and South Hole near the Devon coast. 

There is even a hamlet called Hole near the Bronte village of Haworth in West Yorkshire. The list is still work in progress, but he hopes to put the Relative Holes into print soon. “I’ve got a few publishers interested but I’m keeping the details to myself,” Dawson added.

Please click http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2011/04/01/marilyn-man-goes-underground-for-a-hole-new-list to see the original article published on the Grough website.

By Ordnance Survey team In Using GI and maps

Outdoor enthusiast seeks to list Britain’s ‘holes’

For those of you that have climbed every Munro, ticked off each Marilyn and collected all the Corbetts and now find there is no outlet for your wanderlust, help may be at hand thanks to outdoor enthusiast and hill list compiler Alan Dawson.

Alan has hit upon the novel idea of creating a list of ‘holes’ across Britain that walkers are invited to visit and ‘bag,’ in the time honoured tradition.

“Just about every mountain, hill or mound in Britain has made it onto one list or another – from the Scottish Munros to the Nuttalls in England and Wales. My aim to create a list of British holes seeks to redress the balance.”

“Many of the holes I’ve visited are filled with rich history and are just as unique and compelling as their convex cousins and they deserve to be recognised.”

                        

Alan’s quest to list the nation’s holes has come to light thanks to serial hill measurer Myrddyn Phillips, who together with his associates Graham Jackson and John Barnard has been responsible for reclassifying a number of hills in Scotland and Wales, including Glyder Fawr last year.

Myrddyn says: “All my life I’ve had a love of hill walking, but when I heard about Alan’s intriguing idea of creating a list of ‘holes’ I couldn’t resist finding out more.”

Myrddyn met Alan Dawson in at a hole in Cheshire known locally as ‘Mad Allen’s Hole’ and his video interview gives more background into the project, to list Britain’s holes and the fascinating story that surrounds ‘Mad Allen’ himself. He also discusses how he is deciding which holes to include in his list. 

At Ordnance Survey we’re undecided whether to support Alan’s idea of recognising holes on the landscape. Places that are of interest to tourists like caves or potholing sites are already shown on our maps, but Alan’s idea could require recognising many more, possibly with their own map symbol.  

This mock up provides one possible version of what such a ‘hole’ symbol might look like.  

what a 'hole' symbol could look like.

 Do you think Alan’s idea is a good one? Should more holes be recognised on our maps? Would you be interested in bagging Britain’s holes, or is the idea something that is better off buried?

Let us know what you think. 

Please click http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2011/04/outdoor-enthusiast-seeks-to-list-britains-holes/#more-3827 to see the original article published on the Ordnance Survey blog.