Thursday 22 July 2021

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Fforest Glud


27.05.21  Knowle Hill (SO 213 617), Bache Hill (SO 213 636), Great Creigiau (SO 198 636), Black Mixen (SO 196 643) and Great Rhos (SO 182 638) 

Black Mixen (SO 196 643)

I hadn’t been on the higher Fforest Glud hills since 2005.  Prior to my last visit the circuit taking in Bache Hill, Black Mixen and Great Rhos was one I used to do on a regular basis.  Sixteen years is a long time to have neglected these hills.  Since my last visit my surveying activities have become more refined.  Where I then used a basic levelling staff to measure the drop value for potential P15 and P30 hills, I now have a Trimble which is capable of producing highly accurate height data. 

When purchasing the Trimble there were a number of summits and also bylchau of note that I wanted to survey.  Many of these have now taken place; including Foel Cedig and Cyrniau Nod, the bwlch for Great Rhos and Pegwn Mawr, Foel Penolau in the Rhinogydd and the high point of the main easternmost ridge of Mynyddoedd Duon, there are others still awaiting to be surveyed.  One of these is Bache Hill; a heather bound summit adjacent to land reclaimed for grazing and a large conifer plantation. 

Bache Hill (SO 213 636)

Bache Hill is given a 610m summit spot height on contemporary Ordnance Survey maps.  This height is adjoined to a triangulation pillar which has a 610.209m flush bracket height.  The flush bracket is positioned approximately 0.35m above the base of the trig pillar.  Therefore, the ground at the base of the trig pillar is approximately 609.859m.  This height is only 0.26m above the benchmark height of 2,000ft (609.6m).  However, the trig pillar is positioned on top of an ancient tumulus, which I had surveyed with my old basic levelling staff as being approximately 9ft (2.7m) in height. 

Tumuli are man-made and were built in the Bronze Age and therefore are approximately 5,000 years old, because of this many hill list authors consider them as being a part of the hill and therefore accept their height as that for the summit, even if a lower, natural summit still exists.  However, there are some people who do not accept this, and would give the height and position to the remaining natural summit, even if the tumulus is higher.  Today one of the main surveying objectives was the summit of Bache Hill. 

Since the late 1990s when I first started surveying hills I have looked at summits and bylchau with a surveyor’s eye.  Whereas prior to this a summit was to be bagged and the view admired, now I spend time assessing the lay of land.  Although I hadn’t been to the summit of Bache Hill for sixteen years I was aware that there seemed to be higher natural ground westward from where the trig pillar and tumulus is positioned, and as the approximate height of the tumulus is 9ft (2.7m) and with the flush bracket height giving the ground at the base of the trig pillar as approximately 609. 859m, these values give the natural ground at the base of the tumulus as approximately 607.159m in height.  This is below 2,000ft.  Was the natural summit of this hill to the west of the tumulus and if so was it sufficiently higher than the base of the tumulus to break through the 2,000ft (609.6m) barrier.  My thoughts prior to today’s survey were that the natural summit was intact and to the west of the tumulus and that it is below 2,000ft (609.6m) in height. 

Having met Aled in Caersŵs we were parked and walking from above Maesyfed (New Radnor) by just past 9.00am, following the bridleway heading north and then eastward above Mutton Dingle.  It was already warm, but with blue skies above and a forecast for dry conditions and little breeze it was ideal for the task at hand. 

We left the bridleway to visit the summit of Knowle Hill, which stands aloof of the conifer plantation to its north.  I’d often used this ascent route whilst combining the three highest Radnorshire hills, but until today had never visited the high point of this hill. 

LIDAR image of Knowle Hill (SO 213 617)

Prior to this visit I had LIDARed this hill and found a remaining natural bwlch to the west of the raised track that continues to the forestry track which if so desired eventually leads to Whimble and Bache Hill.  Having arrived at the top of the closely cropped grazing field that constitutes the summit of Knowle Hill we assessed the lay of land and soon the Trimble was set up gathering its first data set of the day. 

Gathering data at the summit of Knowle Hill

Leaving the summit of Knowle Hill we headed down to the raised track crossing the area of the bwlch and continued up the near forestry track, turning right on a gravelled narrower track which led up toward another forestry track and open hillside beyond.  Even at this early stage of the walk I felt the heat debilitating.  I had planned to join Aled and visit Whimble; a fine hill that I had visited on four previous occasions, the last of which it had been Trimbled.  The phrase of the Trimble on Whimble still makes me smile.  But realising there were many surveys ahead and that Aled is much quicker around the hills than me, I left him to make his way up Whimble as I steadily plodded up a green track toward the summit of Bache Hill. 

Aled just setting off for the summit of Whimble

Aled can just be seen on the path heading up Whimble

I knew before arriving at the summit what I wanted to do and that was to take the first data set from the highest ground at the base of the tumulus and another three at the base and approximately 45° from each other.  One data set from the high point of the tumulus and at least one from the area where I suspected the natural summit to be placed westward of the tumulus. 

1st survey at the western base of the tumulus with the natural summit of Bache Hill in the centre background

Arriving at the summit I set to work.  The tumulus is impressive and dominates the summit area of the hill and is one of the finest of its kind in this part of Wales.  I soon had the Trimble set up at what I judged to be the highest ground at the immediate base of the tumulus.  I then repeated this process and took three other readings at the base, each approximately 90° from one another.  This would give a good spread of the height of the base of the tumulus.  Using one’s eye to ascertain height gain is not ideal, however having judged the lay of land for many hundreds of hills one becomes attuned to such things, and to my eye the tumulus is positioned on what could be deemed as the easternmost edge of this hill’s summit plateau.  Land hereabouts descended east, whilst to the west land seemed to be higher.  This is where I had previously thought the natural summit of the hill to be positioned.  Aled also thought this when he arrived at the summit after his ascent of Whimble and a scramble up Whinyard Rocks. 

2nd survey at the northern base of the tumulus

As Aled approached the summit of Bache Hill the Trimble was in the process of collecting data from the high point of the tumulus.  Once data were gathered and stored we looked west and under Aled’s direction I marched off in to the heather to a point north-westward of the tumulus.  This point was on a slight rise, but there was still higher ground to the west.  Having set the Trimble up and gathered the allotted data I headed to the area where we both thought the natural summit of the hill to be positioned. 

5th survey at the high point of the tumulus

This whole area is broad, however once at the place where we each thought the highest natural ground of the hill to be situated, I looked back toward the tumulus and trig pillar and followed the lay of land as it gently descended northward and southward, with the position we were now at being the crest of the land heading directly toward the tumulus.  A further two data sets were taken from this area, giving in all eight data sets from the summit area of Bache Hill. 

8th survey in the vicinity of the natural summit of Bache Hill

Leaving the summit of Bache Hill we headed down to its connecting bwlch with Black Mixen.  This is placed near a fence and beside a series of small reed infested pools.  As I assessed the lay of land Aled gained height on the green track that would lead us up to our next two hills.  From this vantage point he directed me to where the bwlch lay. 

Gathering data at the bwlch of Bache Hill

Our next objective was Great Creigiau; a hill whose delights I had previously visited, once to purposely bag its summit, and the other when I wandered its heathery realm chasing Broken Spectres and a cloud inversion.  Today this hill was on Aled’s surveying agenda.  The underfoot conditions proved torturous with heather, bog, tussocks and holes.  Walking toward its high point was like swaying on a ship’s deck during a storm.  But when a hill is on a surveying agenda it has to be surveyed, and both its summit and bwlch were duly Trimbled. 

Gathering data at the summit of Great Creigiau

Now back on the green track we followed this around the top of Cwm Siân to the trig pillar perched on the tumulus atop Black Mixen.  It was here that Aled shot off again, as he wanted to visit Fron Wen which is immersed in the northerly conifer plantation and would entail lost height which would then have to be reclaimed.  We made plans to meet beside the trig pillar on Great Rhos in 60 – 90 minutes time. 

Great Rhos from above Cwm Siân

This left me at the summit of Black Mixen to gather the next data set of the day.  As the Trimble quietly beeped away gathering its all-important data I sat on the side of the summit tumulus and waved across to three contractors who were on the large mast close to the summit.  Music and singing accompanied there work, which added a surreal element to the day’s proceedings. 

Gathering data at the summit of Black Mixen

The next point to survey was the connecting bwlch between Black Mixen and Great Rhos.  A path through the heather leads from the tumulus atop Black Mixen all the way to this bwlch.  As the previous two weeks had been unusually wet for this time of year the path was muddied but the underfoot conditions were never difficult. 

The continuation of this path crosses the bwlch at an ancient Cross Dyke.  The path was at least 1m above ground at its base, with it acting as a raised walkway that was under filled.  Wanting to get to the summit of Great Rhos before Aled, as we had made provisional plans to either meet there or down at the bwlch connecting with Fron Hill, I didn’t want him getting to the summit before me and thinking that I had already left.  So one data set from this bwlch would, for now, have to suffice. 

Gathering data at the bwlch of Black Mixen

It was good to be back on these hills after such a long gap between my visits.  Stretches of land between frequently visited hills can bring back so many memories and this next section in particular brought back memories of struggling in the snow when the outer crust just held my weight but only until I transferred it to my other leg and in I then sank, a frustrating process that continued all the way from this bwlch around the corner of the near forestry plantation.  This forest has now been felled and as I made progress toward the corner and then up following the fence line toward where a path emerges out of the forest, I watched a number of birds of prey circling the upper reaches of Harley Dingle. 

A muddied path now led all the way to the high point of Great Rhos, I stopped on occasion and looked back to see if Aled was heading my way.  No sign yet, so I slowly continued toward the trig pillar atop the summit. 

Having assessed the lay of land beside the trig pillar I placed the Trimble atop my rucksack, measured the offset between its internal antenna and the ground at its base and set it to gather data.  I then sat in the heather about 20 metres away and left it quietly beeping away gathering data.  During this Aled appeared heading my way on the muddied path.  It was good to see him again; he’d done well considering the lost height when visiting Fron Wen. 

Gathering data at the summit of Great Rhos

Once the allotted data were gathered and stored we followed paths and tracks down from Great Rhos toward the connecting bwlch with Fron Hill, only stopping for a welcome rest overlooking Davy Morgan’s Dingle. 

At the bwlch Aled headed up to visit Fron Hill whilst I slowly made my way down the continuation of the green track heading in to the lower reaches of Harley Dingle.  I stopped frequently to take photographs as shadows played across the hills.  From this direction Whimble always looks good; although lower in height its profile dominates the surrounding landscape. 

The profile of Whimble always looks impressive

I waited for Aled beside the foot bridge that crosses the stream in the lower part of Harley Dingle and lay in the sun relaxing and resting.  In all 16 data sets were taken during the day with many results being of interest, especially so for Bache Hill.  Aled soon joined me after his visit to Fron Hill; he’d covered much more height and distance than me during the day. 

At the start of the green track leading back to the awaiting car

Our route back now headed slightly uphill joining a delightful green track that contoured its way around the southerly flank of Whimble before we used fields and gates to head back toward the awaiting car.  It had been a long day, but also a very enjoyable one on the hill. 

 

Survey Result: 

 

Knowle Hill  

Summit Height:  387.9m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 21397 61735 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  357.7m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 21337 61955 (LIDAR)

Drop:  30.2m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch) (Sub-Trichant reclassified to Trichant)

Dominance:  7.80% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)


 

 

Bache Hill  

Summit Height:  610.1m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 21386 63643

Bwlch Height:  569.2m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 20436 63761

Drop:  40.9m

Dominance:  6.70%


 

 

Great Creigiau  

Summit Height:  643.4m (converted to OSGM15) (significant height revision)

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 19810 63643

Bwlch Height:  633.3m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 19959 63879

Drop:  10.1m

Dominance:  1.57%


 

 

Black Mixen  

Summit Height:  650.1m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 19650 64399

Bwlch Height:  604.5m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 18812 65024

Drop:  45.7m

Dominance:  7.02%


 

 

Great Rhos

Summit Height:  659.9m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 18213 63896

Bwlch Height:  281.3m (converted to OSGM15, from previous Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 17776 71803 (from previous Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Drop:  378.6m

Dominance:  57.38%

 

 

For details on the bwlch survey of Great Rhos


For an in-depth examination of the bylchau of Pegwn Mawr and Great Rhos


For details on the Bache Hill summit survey and its conclusions


 

 

For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet

 

  

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