The following are the
major differences between the listings of The Fours and the Tumps at the time
of compilation / publication of The Fours by Europeaklist.
Upon accurate Trimble
surveying and reviewing of data both listings will no doubt undergo amendments.
Cardinal Hill:
The Cheviot
486m Dryhope Hill 80 NT 928 116 29m
486m Dryhope Hill 80 NT 928 116 29m
Sub-Four with P29 / Tump with P31
The Tumps list has 31m
of drop based on a col height of 455m.
Geograph has a 457m spot height on the area of the col at NT 931 118,
giving this hill 29m of drop.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 8.
Cardinal Hill:
Scafell Pike
463m Brown Rigg 90 NY 305 146 c 27
463m Brown Rigg 90 NY 305 146 c 27
Sub-Four with P27 / Tump with P31
The Tumps list has 31m
of drop based on Ordnance Survey col contouring (430m – 440m). The Fours lists the hill with c 27m of drop
based on a combination of Ordnance Survey and Harvey Maps (435m – 450m) col
contouring. If taking in to account
Harvey Maps information the col is between 435m – 440m with an estimated col
height of c 436m, giving c 27m of drop.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 11, Note number
29 (page 28).
Cardinal Hill:
Burnhope Seat
426m Catterick 92 NY 994 359 29m
426m Catterick 92 NY 994 359 29m
Sub-Four with P29 / Tump with P30
The Tumps list has this
hill as Catterick Moss with 30m of drop.
This hill has an extensive comment in the notes section of The Fours
concerning the drop value. The trig
pillar’s flush bracket height, photos of the summit area, levelled heights on
the summit from Ordnance Survey 1:2,500 maps, levelled heights on the col area
from Ordnance Survey 1:2,500 maps and a repeated drive over the col in a Google
car were all taken in to account when deciding upon the listed drop of 29m.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 15, Note number
85 (page 30).
Cardinal Hill:
The Calf
464m Knott 91 NY 714 012 c 31
464m Knott 91 NY 714 012 c 31
Four with P31 / Not listed as a Tump
The TumpPs list does not include
this hill. The Fours lists the hill with
c 31m of drop based on a combination of Ordnance Survey (430m – 440m) and
Harvey Maps (420m – 435m) col contouring.
If taking in to account Harvey Maps information the col is between 430m
– 435m with an estimated col height of c 433m, giving c 31m of drop.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 15, Note number
97 (page 31).
Cardinal Hill:
Pen-y-ghent
411m Pt. 411m 98 SD 953 648 c 29
411m Pt. 411m 98 SD 953 648 c 29
Sub-Four with P29 / TumpP with P30
The Tumps list has this
hill as Malham Moor with a drop of 30m based on a col height of 381m. The Fours lists the hill with an estimated c
29m of drop based on a col height of c 382m.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 17, Note number
123 (page 31).
Cardinal Hill:
Ward’s Stone
c 430 Bowland Knotts 98 SD 727 606 c 86
c 430 Bowland Knotts 98 SD 727 606 c 86
Four with P86 / Tump listed to different summit
This is a summit
re-location from the previously listed top at SD 722 603. The listed summit at SD 727 606 has a small c
430m ring contour whilst the previously listed top at SD 722 603 has a 430m
triangulation pillar with a flush bracket height of 429.932m. Even though ground a few metres from the trig
pillar is slightly higher than the base of the trig, best available evidence
points toward the summit at SD 727 606 being slightly higher. Definitely needs a Trimble survey.
The Fours Europeaklist
booklet page 18, Note number 130 (page 32).
Cardinal Hill:
Axe Edge
407m Pt. 407m 119 SK 054 680 c 29
407m Pt. 407m 119 SK 054 680 c 29
Sub-Four with P29 / Tump with P31
The Tumps lists this
hill as Brand End with a drop of 31m, giving the height of the col as
376m. The listing of The Fours estimates
the height of the col as c 378m with col contouring between c 375m – c 380m.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 21.
Cardinal Hill:
Axe Edge
436m Upper Edge 119 SK 076 684 20m
436m Upper Edge 119 SK 076 684 20m
Sub-Four with P20 / Tump with P30
The Tumps list has 30m of
drop based on a col height of 406m. The
drop in the list of The Fours is 20m based on a 416m spot height on the area of
the col on Geograph. The land that
extends from the col has been extensively quarried.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 21, Note number
226 (page 35).
Cardinal Hill:
Cilfaesty
403m Caer Caradoc 137, 148 SO 309 757 56m
403m Caer Caradoc 137, 148 SO 309 757 56m
Four with P56 / 399m Tump with P52
The 403m spot height is
based on the 1,321.4ft (402.76m) levelled height on the Ordnance Survey (OS)
1:2,500 map. This matches the rounded up
403m height on the old OS 1:50,000 map.
This height is taken to the earthen ramparts of an ancient Iron Age Hill
Fort. Whereas the 399m Tump height is the
spot height on current OS 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 maps and is taken to the lower
central part of the ancient structure.
The exclusion from the 4 category of the Tumps on the Hill Bagging
website may be due to not recognising ancient structures from antiquity that
are permanent in nature as being included in the height of a hill, whereas The
Fours view such structures as being permanent and a part of the hill.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 24, Note number
272 (page 37).
Cardinal Hill:
High Willhays
454m South Hessary Tor 191 SX 597 723 c 35
454m South Hessary Tor 191 SX 597 723 c 35
Four with P35 / Tump listed to lower summit
This is a summit
re-location from the previously listed top at SX 594 730 as Harvey Maps has a
454m summit spot height as opposed to the previously listed summit (named
Middle Hill on Harvey Maps) which has a 451m spot height.
The Fours Europeaklist booklet page 26, Note number
291 (page 37).
‘The Fours’ is available as an e-booklet version and a print-booklet
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'The Fours' is also available for GPS Waypoints, Google mapping and
on-line hill bagging tick lists on the Haroldstreet website.
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