Wednesday 4 November 2020

Mapping Mountains – Hill Reclassifications – The Fours - The 400m Hills of England


Andrew’s Edge (SJ 984 747) – 400m Sub-Four deletion

There has been a deletion to the listing of the The Fours – The 400m Hills of England, with the summit height, col height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from detail on contemporary maps produced from Ordnance Survey data, and subsequently confirmed from LIDAR analysis conducted by Myrddyn Phillips.

LIDAR image of Andrew's Edge (SJ 984 747)

This was initiated by Joe Nuttall who produced a summit analysis programme that used LIDAR with an alternative height map (DEM) allowing identification of summits and cols and thereby drops.  The resulting spreadsheet that Joe produced contains over 29600 hills.

This spreadsheet is being evaluated by a number of people, including Ronnie Bowron, who passed the details of this hill for evaluation.

The criteria for the list that this deletion applies to are:

The FoursThe 400m Hills of England.  English hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop, accompanying the main list are three categories of sub hills, with this hill being deleted from the 400m Sub-Four category, the criteria for which are all English hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams and the 2nd edition of the booklet containing this list was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24th April 2018.

The Fours - The 400m Hills of England by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams

The name the hill was listed by is Andrew’s Edge, and it is adjoined to the Shining Tor group of hills, which are situated in the Peak District in England, and it is positioned with the A5004 road to its north-east, the B5470 road to its north-west and the A537 road to its south, and has the towns of Macclesfield towards the west and Buxton towards the east.

When the 2nd edition of the The Fours – The 400m Hills of England was published by Mapping Mountains Publications in April 2018, this hill was included as a 400m Sub-Four and listed with 21m of drop, based on the 484m summit spot height that appeared on the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, and the 463m col spot height that appears on the Harvey 1:40,000 British Mountain Maps series to the Dark Peak.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

The details for this hill have now been re-assessed against other digitally updated mapping.  One of the mapping resources now available online is the WalkLakes website which hosts an interactive Ordnance Survey map originated from the Ordnance Survey Open Data programme.  This map has many spot heights not on other publicly available Ordnance Survey maps and for this hill a 485m spot height is given on the area of its summit.

Extract from the WalkLakes website

Another resource available online is the interactive mapping originated from Ordnance Survey data hosted on the Magic Maps website.  This mapping also shows a 485m spot height on the summit area of this hill.

Extract from the Magic Maps website

The details for this hill were also re-assessed against the mapping on the OS Maps website.  This is the replacement for OS Get-a-map and until recent times had contours at 5m intervals which were proving consistently more accurate compared to the 5m contours that sometimes appear on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map and used to appear on the online Vector Map Local.  This resulted in its col height being estimated as c 466m based on interpolation of 5m contouring between 465m – 470m, and this latter map and the interpolated col height is being favoured over the spot height and its position given on the Harvey map.

Extract from the OS Maps website

However, it was not until LIDAR became available that the details for this hill could be accurately re-assessed.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height data that is now freely available for much of England and Wales. 

Therefore, the deletion of this hill from 400m Sub-Four status is due to re-assessment of contemporary mapping produced from Ordnance Survey data, with subsequent confirmation from LIDAR analysis, resulting in a 484.8m summit height and a 465.0m col height, with these values giving this hill 19.7m of drop, which is insufficient for 400m Sub-Four status.


The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Shining Tor

Name:  Andrew’s Edge

OS 1:50,000 map:  118

Summit Height:  484.8m (LIDAR)

Summit Grid Reference:  SJ 98438 74706 (LIDAR)

Col Height:  465.0m (LIDAR)

Col Grid Reference:  SJ 99028 74023 (LIDAR)

Drop:  19.7m (LIDAR)


For the additions, deletions and reclassifications to The Fours - The 400m Hills of England reported on Mapping Mountains since the December 2013 publication of the list by Europeaklist please consult the following Change Registers:










Our thanks to Ronnie Bowron for bringing the details of this hill to our attention

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (November 2020)




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