Showing posts with label Esgair Llwyn Gwyn. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Esgair Llwyn Gwyn. Show all posts

Wednesday, 12 July 2023

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Y Garn


25.05.23  Esgair Llwyn Gwyn (SN 885 790) 

Esgair Llwyn Gwyn (SN 885 790)

Out with Mark Trengove today visiting a Pedwar to the west of Llangurig, which is one of only a few Pedwarau in the northern part of Mid Wales that I had until today not visited.

For me it was a relatively late start as it was past 3.00pm when we set off from the car park on the southern periphery of the small village of Llangurig.  The predicted high cloud soon pushed in over the land, the hills remained clear, but the dry heat of recent days was now replaced with mugginess. 

Llangurig

Our route followed the course of the Afon Gwy (River Wye) on its southern bank for a few minutes before the bridleway leading up the eastern ridge of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn veered south-westward and gradually gained height.  Except for a few people walking beside the river the only other people we saw during the afternoon were a couple descending the ridge close to Llwyn-gwyn farm who were doing a part of the long distance Wye Valley Walk.  We stopped and chatted for a few minutes before continuing uphill. 

Mark heading toward Llwyn-gwyn farm

The outskirts of Llwyn-gwyn farm

Nearing the summit of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn the manicured green of grazing fields gave way to the reed grass and moorland surrounds of the upper hill.  We were soon on the summit wandering around trying to discern its highest point for Trimble placement; LIDAR analysis give three summit positions of equal height, all within a few metres of one another.  Having chosen the spot for Trimble placement I set the equipment up to gather data. 

Nearing the summit

The last bit of uphill

The summit area of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn consists of patches of rough grass and high reed grass, for such examples I usually prioritise the Trimble result over that of LIDAR, as comparison of results show the latter consistently higher than the former; implying difficulty with the LIDAR model when encountering tussock grass and reed grass. 

Gathering data at the summit of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn

LIDAR image of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn (SN 885 790)

During data collection Mark headed toward a trailer where he happily sat for a bite to eat.  I joined him once the Trimble had gathered and stored data.  We chatted and laughed as I sat on a part of the trailer which made it move similar to a swing, with the whole thing moving up and down with the slightest movement. 

Heading down toward the bwlch

Leaving the summit surrounds Mark used his hand-held GPS to head down to the connecting bwlch with the ten figure grid reference produced via LIDAR zeroing us in to the critical point.  However, once we were down near the bwlch we headed toward where we thought the critical point lay without the aid of the grid reference produced by LIDAR.  Once there we then consulted the grid reference, we were about 10 metres away, which proved a good estimate considering the area of the bwlch and its surrounds. 

Gathering data at the bwlch of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn

As I set the Trimble up atop my rucksack and noted the offset between its internal antenna and the ground at its base, before creating the file for data collection and once the 0.1m accuracy level was attained before data should be logged, I set it to gather data and watched as Mark headed through the reed infested mayhem of the bwlch toward a lone small tree before hopefully continuing toward what we planned as our descent route via the Pant Gwyn Hill ridge.  As Mark headed in the direction of greener ground and our path leading to the ridge he veered leftward and continued down through the tussock laden bog of the bwlch.  I wondered what he was doing, and only found the reason for this once I had packed the equipment away and stumbled my way through the tussocks and bog down toward him. 

Through the bog

The reason for continuing down through the bog instead of heading toward our planned path and descent route was one of a barb wired fence.  These pests are getting harder to cross as I am getting older.  The older fences I can stride over, but the newer taunt ones require climbing, which nowadays I do not enjoy.  Mark now has a pair of dodgy knees and barb wired fences are something to definitely avoid and I’m afraid one of these stretched across our planned onward route and necessitated a diversion down through copious amounts of reed infested bog. 

The expanse of bog and rough ground at the bwlch

Eventually the bog was overcome and we reached drier and easier ground.  As Mark headed up to a section of collapsed fence, I continued to contour using what looked like an old water course, this headed toward a wood which gave variety to our unplanned descent route.  We met at the far side of the wood. 

Looking back toward the bog from just within the wood

All that now remained was a slow wander back in the early evening light down our inward route past the farm of Llwyn-gwyn and the continuation of the track beside the river and the small section on the minor road leading to the car on the outskirts of Llangurig. 

Nearing the end of the walk

We rounded the day off with an excellent meal in The Raven in Welshpool, which gave a welcome last couple of hours to enjoy good food and continued good conversation; it proved a fine way to end an excellent day. 

 

Survey Result:

 

Esgair Llwyn Gwyn

Summit Height:  435.9m (converted to OSGM15) (significant height revision)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 88577 79070

Bwlch Height:  402.3m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 88120 78849

Drop:  33.6m

Dominance:  7.71%

 

 

For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet

 

  

Thursday, 7 November 2019

Mapping Mountains – Significant Height Revisions – Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales


Esgair Llwyn Gwyn (SN 885 790)

There has been a Significant Height Revision to a hill that is listed in the Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived by LIDAR analysis conducted by Aled Williams and a subsequent Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey conducted by Myrddyn Phillips.

Approaching the summit of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn (SN 885 790)

The criteria for the list that this height revision applies to are:

Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales.  Welsh hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop, the list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the Introduction to the Mapping Mountains publication of this list appearing on the 30th January 2017, and the list is now available in its entirety on Mapping Mountains in Google Doc format.

The name the hill is listed by is Esgair Llwyn Gwyn and it is adjoined to the Y Garn group of hills, which are situated in the north-western part of South Wales (Region B, Sub-Region B1), and it is positioned with the Afon Gwy (River Wye) and the A44 road to its north and the Afon Gwy (River Wye) and the A470 road to its south-east, and has the village of Llangurig towards the east north-east.

When the original Welsh 400m P30 list was published on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website, this hill was listed with a 438m summit height, based on the spot height positioned at SN 88588 79070 that appears on the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer map.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

However, it was not until LIDAR became available that the details for this hill could be accurately re-assessed.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height data that is now freely available for much of England and Wales.

LIDAR image of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn (SN 885 790)

As this hill had now been surveyed with the Trimble GeoXH 6000, it is this result that is being prioritised for this hill and this summit height comes within the parameters of the Significant Height Revisions used within this page heading, these parameters are:
 
The term Significant Height Revisions applies to any listed hill whose interpolated height and Ordnance Survey or Harvey map summit spot height has a 2m or more discrepancy when compared to the survey result produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000 or analysis of data produced via LIDAR, also included are hills whose summit map data is missing an uppermost ring contour when compared to the data produced by the Trimble or by LIDAR analysis.

Gathering data at the summit of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn

Gathering data at the bwlch of Esgair Llwyn Gwyn

Therefore, the new listed summit height of this hill is 435.9m and this was derived from a Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey.  This is not a dramatic revision in height compared to some revised heights and is 2.1m lower than the previous listed height of 438m which was derived from the summit spot height on the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer maps.


The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Y Garn

Name:  Esgair Llwyn Gwyn

OS 1:50,000 map:  135, 136, 147

Summit Height (New Height):  435.9m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 88577 79070 
  
Bwlch Height:  402.3m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 88120 78849

Drop:  33.6m


Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (November 2019)