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Monday, 19 October 2026

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Yr Wyddfa


07.07.26  Yr Wyddfa (SH 609 543, only bwlch surveyed)

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 and Leica Gs15 gathering data at the summit of Yr Wyddfa

In September 2014 along with Graham Jackson and John Barnard I surveyed the summit of Yr Wyddfa.  In attendance was Mark Greaves representing Ordnance Survey.  It was Mark who later processed the gathered data.  Our endeavours were filmed by Stephen Edwards of Cread Cyf and Aled Llŷr, with the film appearing on ITV Wales.

The summit architecture of Yr Wyddfa has changed over many years, with all manner of structures being built.  These have consisted of huts where horses were stabled and the Victorian tourists who ascended on them could rest, take in the view, if indeed one existed and recover from their exploits before the journey back down the mountain.

Over time huts evolved in to a hotel and latterly a summit café.  However, these constructions did not limit themselves to the ground surrounding the summit, they also took in the summit itself, with massive cairns of stone, a flag pole and latterly a summit plinth with a weather station and identification plague on top of what is fashioned to resemble a triangulation pillar.  This stands atop the aforementioned plinth which has been constructed over the natural summit tor.  Thankfully we have a bench mark height to the bedrock which can supposedly still be accessed from a small window on the side of the weather station.  It was the wisdom of Ordnance Survey who installed the bench mark and documented its height, as all we could do when resurveying the summit of Yr Wyddfa was take a measurement to the concrete plinth, which is an obvious man-made addition to the height of the mountain.

As with many listings, the qualification whether a hill should be included is dependent upon its drop.  This is the height difference between its summit and bwlch that connects to the next higher summit along its watershed.  The approximate position of the Yr Wyddfa bwlch had been known for many years and to my knowledge was first documented by Alan Dawson.  This connecting bwlch is positioned beside the Forth and Clyde canal in Scotland.

The Ordnance Survey give a 46m spot height on the 1:25,000 Explorer map at NS 76804 78578, which could be where the critical point of this bwlch is positioned.  However, map study shows two burns descending southward from the hillside above the small community of Kelvinhead.  As these two burns near the canal one heads westward and the other eastward, suggesting that the bwlch is positioned on ground between the two.  This is the best available evidence we have at the moment for the position of this bwlch, until LIDAR becomes available for this part of the country.

This was a survey I had wanted to do for many years, but opportunity was limited as I now rarely venture north in to Scotland.  However, with an offer to stay accompanied by John Kirk, in Mark Trengove and his wife’s newly built second home in Laide in Wester Ross, this gave us the prospect to survey this bwlch on our way north.

Arriving at Mark’s at midday we quickly packed my gear in his car and he then proceeded to drive to John’s in Burnley where we over-nighted before John took over the driving duties heading north.  As the hours of travel slowly ticked by the weather became more inclement with fine drizzled spots of rain hitting the windscreen.  By the time we left the M80 and drove in to Kelvinhead the sky was coloured light grey and light rain interspersed with more drizzle met us as I quickly got my walking boots on for the walk down to the canal. 

Heading down the path toward the bwlch

John seemed to know this area well and we followed him toward the gate giving access to the narrow path leading down beside what turned out to be one of the burns, which only showed its watery trickle as we approached the canal.  This burn was on our right as we descended, whilst the burn on our left was no more than a slight indentation consisting of lots of greenery, which as least intimated that water was in fact present. 

Nearing the bwlch

A gate gave further access to the canal towpath, and it was close to this gate where the majority of our efforts were concentrated, as all ground on the path descended to this point and beyond the gate all ground went uphill for a short distance to the canal towpath.  On our way through the gate we had a quick discussion where we considered the critical point to be positioned.  We then visited the canal which was unexpectedly wide at this point.  The surprise at its width was based on the experience of my local Montgomeryshire canal where two narrow boats crossing would be the limit; this canal was like a river.  However, John later explained that this part consisted of a water basin where boats could pass without difficulty. 

Arriving on the canal towpath

We stood beside the water for a number of minutes with John pointing out the ditch on the far side of the canal.  If whilst on the valley to valley traverse the height of a cutting was taken as the critical point of the bwlch, the ditch formed a major difficulty in our endeavours as from this vantage point it looked lower on the hill to hill traverse, but again John explained that breaking the ditch is a bank that goes in the hill to hill direction, thus increasing the high point of the valley to valley traverse if following the ditch.  Therefore, it seemed we were safe in taking the ground close to the gate as the critical point for the bwlch of Yr Wyddfa. 

The western view of the canal

Looking south on the hill to hill traverse with the ditch evident adjacent to the opposing bank

The eastern view of the canal

Once a few photos of the canal were taken we backtracked to the gate and had a good inspection of the path and its downward passage toward this point.  We initially considered gathering data from the ground immediately through and at the base of the gate, but soon the Trimble was moved to the path leading toward the gate.  Ground hereabouts within a ten metre distance looked consistently flattish and with little margin of uncertainly for such a survey the Trimble was quickly positioned on my rucksack, which in instances like this forms a convenient makeshift tripod.  Once the 0.1m accuracy level was attained before data should be logged, I pressed ‘Log’ and headed back through the gate to stand away from the equipment as it gathered its customary five minutes of data. 

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 gathering data at the bwlch of Yr Wyddfa

After data were gathered and stored I closed the equipment down and took a series of photos from various directions of the Trimble in situ.  It was then packed away and we headed up the path toward the dry confines of John’s car.  On the way we met David Henderson on his quad bike with three attendant sheep dogs scampering after him.  I flagged him down for a chat. 

The northern view from the bwlch

The eastern view from the bwlch

The southern view from the bwlch

The western view from the bwlch

We spent a number of minutes with David; he told us he’s known as Dov by all his friends.  I happily explained the significant of the land he farms and specifically the point on the path no more than five minutes down from where we were now standing.  He didn’t look amazed, which was a disappointment and seemed to take in the critical nature of this point in his stride.  Aw well! 

The view further east

David Henderson with Bessie, Roy and Peggy

Leaving the bwlch

After leaving David we continued on the slight uphill leading back to the houses in Kelvinhead.  By now the intermittent rain and drizzle had in the main relented, just long enough for me to get my walking boots off and after a quick repositioning of my gear around the back seat of John’s car, we were away on our trip heading farther north in to the beautiful wilds of northern Scotland. 

  

Survey Result:


Yr Wyddfa

Summit Height:  1084.8m (converted to OSGM15) (Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 60985 54374 (Old triangulation pillar and Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit) 

Bwlch Height:  47.6m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  NS 75797 78295 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Drop:  1037.2m (Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit and Trimble GeoXH 6000 bwlch)

Dominance:  95.61% (Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit and Trimble GeoXH 6000 bwlch)

 

 

My thanks to Alan Dawson with help processing these data

 

For details on the 1st summit survey of this hill

 

For details on the 2nd summit survey of this hill

 

For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet 

Wednesday, 7 October 2026

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Mynydd Epynt

 

07.06.26  Ysgwydd Hwch (SO 052 379), Lan (SO 052 391) and Yr Allt (SO 059 390)

Yr Allt (SO 059 390)

This year’s Relative Hills Society (RHSoc) dinner was held in The Wellington Hotel in Brecon.  It was the first time I had attended since my guest speaker slot at Shifnal a few years ago.  The evening was very enjoyable and especially so as our Y Pedwarau table won the quiz.  Afterward I sauntered back to my car to find a quiet spot to overnight.  This was next to a waste disposal site, which doesn’t sound very pleasant, but the area was quiet and out of the way with only one car passing the junction at the end of the road as I prepared my bed for the night with stars appearing in a clearing sky.  The following morning after boiled eggs and samosas for breakfast I drove to Talgarth to the New Gurkha Inn to meet Mark Trengove, who had over-nighted there.  After his breakfast and packing his car we headed off to the hills. 

A nice quiet spot to spend the night

Our plan for the day were three forested Pedwar hills to the north of Talgarth, and as the days forecast gave strong blustery wind the confines of the forest would at least give us shelter.  Our first attempt at finding our parking place ended in failure with me leading the way and trying to navigate with an OS map.  We ended up back on a main road having driven about six miles on narrow country lanes.  Our second attempt was led by Mark using his SatNav, this thankfully proved successful and soon my car was parked at the start/end of a forest track to the north-east of the small community of Llaneglwys.  Mark then drove to the start of our walk which had a convenient small parking area and picnic tables.

Close to where Mark parked his car was the forest track leading to our first hill of the day.  We set off walking at 10.40am, with the wind blowing and if the forecast was correct, dry overhead conditions until late in the afternoon when more rain was predicted to head in from the west.

A clearing on our left gave views looking south toward the high Beacons, except for Pen y Fan all just clear of the grey murking cloud.  It made a tranquil scene with greened fields as foreground, and all the more so as we didn’t expect many opportunities for extensive views during the entirety of the walk due to the confines of the conifer plantation we were now walking up in to. 

Looking out toward the high Beacons

As we approached the first summit and our high point of the day; Ysgwydd Hwch, we encountered a section of felled forestry, this gave a semblance of view.  But as usual such places are scattered with tree debris that is both an unruly mess to look at and also a hell to walk through.  Thankfully the continuation of the access track we were now on which led toward a tall mast and small compound made our upward progress relatively easy. 

Mark heading on the access track toward the summit of Ysgwydd Hwch

Approaching the summit of Ysgwydd Hwch

The area of the high point was not difficult to find and aided by the ten figure grid reference attained from LIDAR analysis we were soon standing on the summit.  Shortly afterward I had the Trimble assembled and gathering data.  However, as I stood below the equipment I considered this position to consist of accumulated debris and therefore man-made, because of this I took a second data set a few metres away at the base of a tree stump. 

Gathering data at the first of two set-up positions at the summit of Ysgwydd Hwch

Once data were gathered and stored I closed the equipment down and as I was just getting ready to take a few photographs I saw a figure standing beside the edge of the small compound enclosing the mast, he was smiling and waving my way; it was Alex Cameron who had also been at the dinner last night and who was on one of his mammoth overnight walks with these same three hills his destination.  I hadn’t seen Alex on the hill in quite some time and although Mark and I had wondered if any other fellow hill bagger may be on these hills today, it was still a surprise to see him.  Hugs were had and we continued the rest of the walk as a threesome. 

The second of two set-up positions at the summit of Ysgwydd Hwch with Alex the unexpected visitor in the background

Our onward route was now following forest tracks north-eastward before swinging west where our track bisected another coming in from the south which was an alternate option to get us from the summit of Ysgwydd Hwch to this point.  On the way the view opened toward our next two hills.  From this direction they looked deeply forested, but thankfully the trees on each were mature and proved easy to walk through and therefore reach the summit of each hill.  All around was greenery with succulent ferns and moss encrusted old branches backed by the strong wisps of wind that cascaded over the hills. 

On the forest track between Ysgwydd Hwch and the small pool

Summer greenery

Lan (SO 052 391)

As we lost height part of the forest had been felled with the diggers in situ awaiting the next working day and the logs neatly stacked awaiting removal.  Close to was a small pool that Mark had spotted, we stood beside it for a few minutes enjoying the tranquil scene. 

The forest track leading down toward the small pool

Mark beside the small pool

The next part of the walk was back on to the continuation of the forest track as it headed uphill.  For me I was now in head down and plodding mode.  Gone are the days when I could tackle such ascents relatively easy and quickly, a sad indictment of getting older when the body and its capabilities change.  Soon we turned right on to a green track which in time led to a narrow path on our right leading in to the main conifer plantation.  The narrow path was part of a series of mountain bike trails through these woods, with others evident in a few places.  All were welcome and this one was a delight to walk on as it took us forever higher through the wood.  The path eventually swung around and ended up within a few metres of the high point of this our second hill of the day. 

Entering the wood on our way to the summit of Lan

This hill was originally listed by the name of Llaneglwys Wood.  A name I invented when the Welsh 400m hills were first compiled.  Its listed name was changed to Lan in 2016 when Aled consulted the Tithe map and this is how it has appeared in the Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales list ever since. 

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 positioned at the summit of Lan

Having reached the top it was time to have a rest.  Alex sat and took his boots off to give his feet time to heal from those many hours of overnight walking, whilst Mark and I pottered about checking grid references and judging any potential high point for their claim to be the summit position of the hill.  Having chosen our preferred candidate I positioned the Trimble on top for the customary photograph.  I had no intention of trying to gather data from this summit due to the overhead canopy of trees and therefore soon joined the others for a restful few minutes having lunch. 

Time to rest

As the remains of my treats consisting of a Polish sausage and oat biscuits were packed away, it was time to set off and Alex led the way on the continuation of the narrow mountain bike trail as it quickly lost height heading in the direction of the green track that had given us access to the upper part of the hill.  The path was more indistinct on this side of the hill, but nonetheless still easy to follow. 

Heading down from the summit back on to the green track

Having regained the green track, it soon veered left and then immediately right and now continued with an open field on our right.  This part of the walk I found particularly beautiful as the long grass in the field swayed to the rhythm of the wind.  We stopped to take photos of the conifered upper part of our last hill of the day; Yr Allt which is another name derived from the Tithe, with the farm to the south giving the name of the hill away; Danyrallt, under the allt. 

Yr Allt from the connecting green track between it and Lan

By now I was progressively getting slower compared to Alex and Mark.  Alex is a strong walker and even with a large heavy rucksack was much quicker than me during the whole walk, whilst Mark is a good steady walker and who kindly waited for me to come in to view at any major turn to make sure that I did not overshoot as I brought up the rear. 

On the green track leading to the narrow path on our right in to the wood

We now headed in to the wood on what looked like a form of path; however we soon left this and headed up through the trees with Mark guiding the way toward the summit with the aid of his hand-held GPS.  Thankfully the summits of Lan and Yr Allt are both within mature forest, making walking between the trees easy.  I found this delightful and such a change from what can become an unruly obstacle course when further progress up or many times even down, seems next to impossible due to the confines of conifer trees. 

Extraordinary mosses on our way through the wood to the summit of Lan

Having reached the summit we did the customary things, stopped, chatted, took a few photos and then debated the best way to get off the hill and back to my awaiting car.  We had a couple of options and eventually decided to backtrack to the inward green track, this continued down the hill but was seemingly barred from further progress due to one of the rare felled trees across the path that we encountered during the day.  Mark considered backtracking and taking a detour, but thankfully Alex went ahead to investigate and once on the other side called us on. 

The summit of Lan

The green track swung southward around the eastern face of Yr Allt and then doubled back on itself now heading north-eastward and all the time loosing height.  This again was a delightful part of the walk, easy underfoot with occasional brambles and nettles to bi-pass, all of which were easy to avoid and all the time the greenery of summer was on display with succulent growth appearing all around.

We were nearing the end of the walk; all that remained was finding a way down on our right either over a barb wired fence giving access through a long grassed field down to the minor road close to where my car was parked, or another route down which Alex and Mark were now investigating.  This consisted of yet another delightful narrow path on the edge of the wood and beside the boundary fence with the field beyond. 

Mark on the narrow path leading back to the forest track and the car

We stopped for a few minutes as the view opened toward the masted summit of Ysgwydd Hwch.  From this direction the whole upper hill seemed to consist of a mass of confined forestry, as indeed all three hills seemed to be so from a distance.  Thankfully for the enjoyment of today’s walk each proved otherwise. 

Ysgwydd Hwch (SO 052 379)

We were soon at my car, and a few minutes later at Mark’s car at the small picnic area.  All that remained was the drive back to Welshpool and three welcome mugs of tea before Mark took Alex to Flint railway station for his train home.  It had been another good day on the hill in the company of two good friends with another three Pedwar hills visited. 

 

Survey Result:

 

Ysgwydd Hwch

Summit Height:  455.7m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 05233 37909 (Trimble GeoXH 6000) 

Bwlch Height:  386.6m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 03872 38847 (LIDAR)

Drop:  69.0m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  15.15% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

 

 

Lan (significant name change)

Summit Height:  413.9m (LIDAR) (significant height revisions) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 05239 39141 (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Height:  377.2m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 04853 39386 (LIDAR)

Drop:  36.7m (LIDAR) (400m Sub-Pedwar reclassified to Pedwar)

Dominance:  8.87% (LIDAR)

 

 

Yr Allt (significant name change)

Summit Height:  407.0m (LIDAR) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 05914 39093 (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Height:  364.7m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SO 05578 39234 (LIDAR)

Drop:  42.3m (LIDAR)

Dominance:  10.39% (LIDAR)

 


My thanks to Alan Dawson with help processing these data


For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet

Sunday, 17 May 2026

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Way Stone Edge

 

14.04.26  Way Stone Edge (SD 999 140) 

Way Stone Edge (SD 999 140)

Having just visited Dog Hill (SE 003 170) it was only a short drive on the A672 road under the busy M62 to our designated parking place, which was directly west of the summit of our last hill of the day; Way Stone Edge.

This hill is classified as a Four, and also currently as a Subhump, although LIDAR implies that its natural col still exists and therefore under Hump protocols it should be deleted from the ranks of Subs.

By now the weather was definitely turning for the worse with mid afternoon rain forecast.  This could be seen pushing in from the south as slate grey cloud slowly enveloped the surrounds.  This meant it was wise not to linger and as I exited John’s car I asked what path we were heading on, he directed me toward a gate on the opposite side of the road and I was soon on my way following a path amongst copious amounts of reed grass.

Mark and John followed with John soon taking the lead.  The bulk of Way Stone Edge rose in front looming over the bleached moor, with the path quickly turning in to a vehicle track that took us down to a stream.  Going was never difficult, although rather squashy in parts.  John fell close to the stream and floundered to get purchase on the soft grass beside the thin strip of water, I watched as he berated himself which made me smile.  I resisted the temptation of taking a photograph, which in years gone by I may well have done. 

John leading the way down to the stream

Having lost height from the road down to the stream, the up hill now started as we followed a relatively good vehicle track on the moor as it headed up toward a gate and fence, beyond which the going steepened as bleached moor turned to heather and moor grass. 

Beyond the gate and fence the going steepened

Again, the going was never difficult, but that rain was closing in and as we crested the summit plateau Mark used his hand-held GPS to zero in to the summit position.  When we reached this point I checked the LIDAR summit co-ordinates and we were still 250 metres from the high point.  Mark soon input these figures and off we went through the heather toward the LIDAR summit; when there I quickly took a few photographs as the first scuds of wind blown rain hit us. 

The summit of Way Stone Edge

Thankfully I’d taken my storm proof brolly and this was soon up sheltering me from the rain as it swept across the hill.  Our downward route followed a boggy path beside a forlorn looking fence as it headed south-westward before claiming height over the small prominence bump of White Hill. 

The downward route with White Hill in the background

The rain was not constant with only two good scuds hitting us.  As we joined a part of the Pennine Way the path improved as it crossed the summit of White Hill, this eased passage back to the road and John’s awaiting car.  The cloud all round looked threatening, this gave us incentive to quicken our pace down the hill and we arrived back to the shelter of John’s car just before more rain set in.

Way Stone Edge proved a good wild hill to end up on and all that remained was the drive back to Burnley, followed by a welcome large mug of tea and a bite to eat before the drive back to Mark’s and my onward journey to Welshpool. 

 

Survey Result:

               

Way Stone Edge 

Summit Height:  481.6m (LIDAR)  

Summit Grid Reference:  SD 99956 14046 (LIDAR) (summit relocation)

Col Height:  387.8m (LIDAR)

Col Height:  399.6m (LIDAR, natural col)

Col Grid Reference:  SE 01975 09573 (LIDAR)

Col Grid Reference:  SE 02035 09664 (LIDAR, natural col) 

Drop:  93.9m (LIDAR)

Drop:  82.1m (LIDAR, using the natural col) (proposed Subhump deletion)

Dominance:  19.49% (LIDAR)

 

 

For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet