Showing posts with label Crib y Rhiw. Show all posts
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Wednesday, 15 February 2023

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Y Llethr


02.01.23  Pt. 687.5m (SH 666 238) and Crib y Rhiw (SH 663 248, only bwlch surveyed) 

After the indulgencies of the festive period, I was looking forward to blowing away the cobwebs with a healthy burst of exercise.  The high pressure forecasted for the second day of the New Year provided the ideal opportunity and a round of Mynydd Cors y Gedol was chosen as the venue.  The high point of the day would be Diffwys at an elevation of 750.4m; however, the focus would be the survey of its north-east top, a hill that I had wished to survey since 2006, since it stood a chance of making P15 status.  Accompanying me on this trip would be my latest surveying assistant, my other half, Rebecca. 

Rebecca at Pont Scethin (Photo: Aled Williams)

The walk started at the ancient house of Cors y Gedol, where parking is allowed at the end of the minor road for a very reasonable price.  A gradual plod along the continuing track eventually took us to Pont Scethin, a beautiful stone-arched bridge that was once on a drovers’ route.  The track on either side of the bridge was badly eroded by the gouging influence of scrambler bikes.  These vehicles and their impact on the land are sadly becoming a commoner sight on the Welsh mountains and more should be done to prevent them.  As I got off my soapbox, three bikers revved to the top of the ridge we were about to ascend.  They noisily made their way down the hillside, roaring past us as they raced onwards to Llyn Bodlyn, avoiding the worst of the deep mud that their contemporaries has previously created, thus creating further damage! 

Llyn Bodlyn (Photo: Aled Williams)

As we ascended the hillside, Llyn Irddyn came into view in its hidden recess with the sweep of Bae Tremadog providing the backdrop.  The morning mist had risen by this time, leaving us with clear views ahead as we crested the broad ridge to Diffwys.  The grassy dome of Y Llethr out peaked the series of hills visible to our left, with the dark and rocky Rhinog Fawr playing second best in terms of height.  To our right was Cadair Idris, its bulk completely enveloped in cloud.  A stiff climb shortly took us to the summit of the appropriately named Diffwys, the ‘precipice’, where a surprisingly dramatic view of Cwm Mynach and Y Garn greeted us.  We carefully traversed the slippery edge of the defile until we reached the trig point. 

Rebecca with Rhinog Fawr and Y Llethr as background (Photo: Aled Williams)

Descending from the summit, we prepared ourselves for the first survey.  The critical bwlch for the north-east top was easily located beside a stile on the northern side of the wall.  The Trimble was placed on top of the wall for optimal signal reception and Rebecca assisted me in measuring the offset height between the Trimble’s receptor and the ground below. 

Gathering data at the 688m map heighted summit (Photo: Aled Williams)

The first survey completed, we then headed to the summit of the rocky north-east top, which is currently listed as a P10 Sub-Top in The Welsh Highlands list that I co-author with Myrddyn Phillips.  The summit area consisted of a cairn and a number of small outcrops of rock, one of which we judged to be the high point.  The Trimble was placed atop the rocky pinnacle and measurement duly commenced.  Myrddyn had requested that the bwlch of Crib y Rhiw be surveyed if the opportunity presented itself and so as data collected, a quick check of the time was made to assess whether this could be fitted in to the day.  The answer was that it could, but only if we hurried! 

Looking back at the 688m map heighted summit (Photo: Aled Williams)

We ascended Crib y Rhiw quickly.  The views down the steep eastern slope brought back memories from my first visit that had taken place sixteen years ago - it felt good to revisit.  The bwlch of the hill was easily located a short distance south-west of the impressive dry-stone wall that adorns the ridge.  The survey went without a hitch.  Having completed our surveying objectives, we began the long journey back to Cors y Gedol and as we hit our tenth mile of the day, the sun shone low above the sea in front of us as it too began its descent. 

The end of a long day on the hill (Photo: Aled Williams)

Aled Williams (January 2023)

 

Survey Result: 

 

Pt. 687.5m

Summit Height:  687.5m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 66665 23885

Bwlch Height:  675.1m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 66468 23837

Drop:  12.4m

Dominance:  1.80%


 

Crib y Rhiw

Summit Height:  681.3m (converted to OSGM15) (from previous Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey) (significant height revision)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 66368 24868 (from previous Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Bwlch Height:  652.1m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 66080 25302

Drop:  29.2m

Dominance:  4.28%



For details on the summit survey of Crib y Rhiw 


For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet

 

 

 

  

Saturday, 19 September 2015

Mapping Mountains – Significant Height Revisions – Y Pellennig - The Remotest Hills of Wales, The Welsh Highlands - Uchafion Cymru and 600m Twmpau


Crib y Rhiw (SH 663 248)

There has been a Significant Height Revision to a hill that is listed in the Y Pellennig - The Remotest Hills of Wales, The Welsh Highlands - Uchafion Cymru and the 600m Twmpau, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from separate Trimble GeoXH 6000 surveys (for the summit survey) (for the bwlch survey) conducted by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams respectively.

Crib y Rhiw (SH 663 248)

The criteria for the listings this height revision applies to are:

Y Pellennig –The Remotest Hills of Wales - Welsh hills whose summit is at least 2.5km from the nearest paved public road and the hill has a minimum 15m of drop.  The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams and is available as a downloadable e-booklet or print-booklet version on Mapping Mountains Publications with the up-to-date master list available on Mapping Mountains to download in Google Doc format. 

Y Pellennig - The Remotest Hills of Wales by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams

The Welsh Highlands – Uchafion Cymru – Welsh hills at or above 500m in height with 15m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub list entitled the Welsh Highland Subs, the criteria for which is all Welsh hills at or above 500m in height with 10m or more and below 15m of drop.  This list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams with the Introduction to the list published on Mapping Mountains in November 2015 and the latest update relating to the list published on Mapping Mountains in January 2023.

Welsh Highlands - Uchafion Cymru by Aled Williams and Myrddyn Phillips

600m Twmpau – Welsh hills at or above 600m and below 700m in height that have 30m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub category entitled the 600m Sub-Twmpau consisting of all Welsh hills at or above 600m and below 700m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  With the word Twmpau being an acronym standing for thirty welsh metre prominences and upward.  The list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips and is published on Mapping Mountains in Google Doc format.

600m Twmpau by Myrddyn Phillips

The name the hill is listed by is Crib y Rhiw and it is adjoined to the Y Llethr group of hills, which are situated in the western part of North Wales (Region A, Sub-Region A2), and it is positioned with minor roads and the A496 road to its west, minor roads and the A496 road to its south and the A470 road to its east, and has the small community of Bontddu towards the south. 

When the original list that later became known as the The Welsh Highlands – Uchafion Cymru was first compiled, this hill was listed with an estimated c 27m of drop, based on an estimated c 680m summit height (with the uppermost contour on Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer maps being 670m) and an estimated c 653m bwlch height, with the former based on the estimated height difference between a northerly top that has a 2,228ft (679.1m) height given it on the Ordnance Survey Six-Inch Map and the high point of the hill which is positioned on the southerly top, with its bwlch height based on interpolation of 10m contouring between 650m - 660m, and these are the details given the hill when the 1st edition of the Y Pellennig - The Remotest Hills of Wales was published by Europeaklist in April 2015. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

However, it was not until a survey with GNSS equipment that an accurate summit height for this hill could be ascertained.  This was conducted by Mynddyn Phillips on the 04.06.15 using a Trimble GeoXH 6000, resulting in a 681.3m summit height positioned at SH 66368 24868, and this comes within the parameters of the Significant Height Revisions used within this page heading, these parameters are:

The term Significant Height Revisions applies to any listed hill whose interpolated height and Ordnance Survey, Harvey or other interactive map summit spot height has a 2m or more discrepancy when compared to the survey result produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000 or analysis of data produced via LIDAR.  Also included are hills whose summit map data is missing an uppermost ring contour when compared with the data produced by the Trimble or by LIDAR analysis.

Gathering data at the summit of Crib y Rhiw which resulted in the significant height revision of this hill

Therefore, the new listed summit height of this hill is 681.3m and this was derived from a Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey, this is 11.3m higher than the uppermost 670m ring contour that appears on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map and 1.3m higher than the estimated summit height given the hill when listed in the Europeaklist booklet for the Y Pellennig - The Remotest Hills of Wales list.


The full details for the hill are:

Cardinal Hill:  Y Llethr

Name:  Crib y Rhiw

OS 1:50,000 map:  124

Summit Height (New Height):  681.3m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 66368 24868
  
Bwlch Height:  652.1m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 66080 25302

Drop:  29.2m


Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (September 2015)





Wednesday, 17 June 2015

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Y Llethr


04.06.15  Crib y Rhiw (SH 663 248), Diffwys (SH 661 234) and Pt. 643.2m (SH 648 229) 

Diffwys (SH 661 234)

Out today with John and Graham with the southern Rhinogydd planned as our destination.  Our main aim for the day’s surveying was Diffwys which is listed by Alan Dawson as a Submarilyn with 148m of drop, as 150m is the qualifying mark for Marilyn status; this hill had been on our prioritised list of hills to survey for a number of years.

We met in Bala and took one car down to Bont-ddu and turned right toward the hills on a narrow road that gained height and parked at its end at SH 656 201, where three cars can easily be left.

The weather was blissful with clear blue skies and good clarity of colour, however it was warm which no doubt would make us suffer on the up hills.  The last time I had spoken to one of the local farmers in this area he had told me that the path that leads up the Braich had been churned up by trail bikes and in places it now resembled a stream.  It is only a matter of a few metres to the gate that leads onto this path from where the car had been parked and confronting us as we approached the gate was a police sign warning everyone to ‘slow down’.  I wondered if this was an act of humour or perhaps a sign put there to try and discourage the trail bikes.

The sign at the start of the path

I set off before John and Graham and tried my utmost to set a reasonable pace up the path as it gained steady height onto the open hillside of the ridge leading upto the hill that the Nuttalls list as Diffwys West Top.  But my pace was slow, partly because of the heat but also the weight I was carrying, as a camera, video camera and the Trimble weight 10lb, added to this was a large tripod and a 75 litre capacity rucksack to strap the tripod onto, within the rucksack were the usual things required for a day in the hills, all of this adds weight, and added weight means a slower pace.

Even though I puffed on the uphill the views compensated as Diffwys looked resplendent with its southern arm stretching out over Craig Aderyn, the hill was bathed in morning sunshine with the shadowed cloud movement giving depth to the landscape.

The shapely profile of Diffwys

Soon John and Graham approached and slowly overtook me as we all headed up the Braich and once at its top we crested the western ridge of Diffwys and swung right following a good path beside a dilapidated wall and a double fence.  We now had a decision to make as we could either survey this western top and then continue to the summit and then the bwlch of Diffwys and descend on a green track beside the Afon Cwm-llechen, or we could traverse the western bulk of Diffwys and survey its bwlch first and use our inward route as our descent and survey this western top later in the afternoon, we decided upon the latter option.

Graham and John just about to catch and overtake me

The continuation of the southern Rhinogydd down to the Afon Mawddach and the sea

Continuing over the hill that the Nuttall's name as Diffwys West Top

By now it had really warmed up and all I wanted to do was stop and take the weight off my shoulders.  The traverse of Diffwys was new to me; I had never done this before and found the prospect of venturing onto new ground to be partly stimulating in my ever increasing state of weariness.  We initially followed a sheep track as it contoured its way around the hillside; this seemed to disappear as we approached a section of wet ground, this traverse was proving fun as it gave a marvellous viewpoint across Llyn Bodlyn to the rounded bulk of Moelfre with the elongated arm of north-west Wales stretching out to Ynys Enlli beyond.

Traversing the western flank of Diffwys

The rounded profile of Moelfre with Llyn Bodlyn in the foreground

Heading toward the bwlch of Diffwys

This route also gave a different viewpoint toward Y Llethr and Crib y Rhiw with Llyn Dulyn nestled under the crags of the latter hill.  Occasionally I would catch upto John and Graham as they waited for me; we had now rounded the western shoulder of Diffwys and could see its bwlch ahead of us.  Between it and us was varied ground with copious amounts of bilberry, rock and a number of small ridges to clamber over and around.  Progress was being made and soon we were walking on the flatland beside small pools just on the western side of the hill’s bwlch.

Y Llethr and Crib y Rhiw with Llyn Dulyn in the foreground

Typical Rhinogydd ground of rock, lake and dramatic views

The critical bwlch of Diffwys is the right hand notch of the two on the left of the photo

Crib y Rhiw from near to its connecting bwlch with Diffwys

Once over the ridge wall that strides between these hills we arrived at the bwlch, and the level was set up with John taking readings to the staff that Graham was holding, I tried to recover and stood on an intervening small ridge taking photos down onto proceedings.  The bwlch had two options for its critical point, the one nearest Diffwys proved to be the lower and soon the Leica GS15 was set up and gathering data.

Using the level and staff to survey for bwlch position

The Leica GS15 set-up at the critical bwlch of Diffwys

To our south Diffwys looked proudly grand with the wall robustly stretching toward its summit, in the opposite direction lay Crib y Rhiw with its rocky grassed flank looking eloquent in shape and appealing to the eye.

Diffwys from its critical bwlch

The connecting solid wall stretching upto Crib y Rhiw

We took a measurement offset between the critical bwlch and that of an elevated rock outcrop and gathered five minutes of Trimble data to compare results against that of the Leica GS15.

I now wanted to visit the summit of Crib y Rhiw and keep my totals for these three Nuttalls on par with one another.  I also wanted to gather data from its summit as to my knowledge no spot height has ever appeared on any map for the high point of this hill.  As I wearily plodded up the path that leads to its summit Graham remained at the bwlch with the equipment and John set off behind me and soon passed me.

Y Llethr from the summit of Crib y Rhiw

The high point of Crib y Rhiw is at the southern end of its summit ridge, once I stumbled my way upto it I placed the Trimble on a small embedded rock at the summit and gathered five minutes of data.  During this John headed north to examine another high point and once there looked back to where I was, we both concluded that the high point of the hill was at the southerly end of its ridge.

Gathering data with the Trimble at the summit of Crib y Rhiw

By the time we arrived back at the bwlch the hour data collection for the Leica Gs15 was almost complete, we just had time for John to do a couple of minutes to the video camera before the equipment was switched off and packed away.  The next uphill proved utterly debilitating as it was so warm and without any form of breeze.

The uphill from the bwlch to the summit of Diffwys was a slow, hot grind.  I stopped on many occasions and tried to recover my breath as I took photos back toward Y Llethr and Crib y Rhiw and over toward the shapely profile of Moelfre.  Slowly progress was made, but it was at a cost as the sun was taking its toll.  I have experienced the sun’s debilitating effect when out in the hills on a number of occasions and can feel its piecing, unrelenting strength that saps all forms of energy, I also know that to make progress I have to take it very steady and just aim ahead to a set point and when reached to take a rest, and then repeat this until the summit is reached.

Crib y Rhiw from the ascent of Diffwys

Moelfre from the ascent of Diffwys

The last few hundred metres to the summit of Diffwys was a wobbly affair, as although the path was good and the ridge was relatively flat I still had to rest and gasp for air.  Eventually I reached the trig point, got the rucksack and camera and Trimble off my shoulders, unstrapped the tripod and then flaked out on the ground.  During this John and Graham were taking readings on either side of the ridge wall and pinpointing the high point of the hill to be about five metres to the north of the trig point.  All I could do was groan on the ground and occasionally stumble to my feet and take a photograph.

The weary, hot plod up Diffwys

John using the mini tripod and level to take readings from the top of the wall at the summit of Diffwys

Taking readings on the eastern side of the wall at the summit of Diffwys

We took data with the Leica GS15 at the high point and another five minutes of Trimble data to the top of the trig, having taken a measurement offset between the summit and the trig.  Ahhhhhh, time to rest, eat, take on water and try and recover.

The Leica GS15 set up at the summit of Diffwys

The Trimble gathering data at the top of the trig pillar on Diffwys

Once an hour of data had been collected the Leica GS15 was packed away and we headed down to the connecting bwlch with the hill that the Nuttalls list as Diffwys West Top.  I proceeded to gather data with the Trimble from the area of the bwlch and then joined John and Graham at the hill’s summit.

Gathering data at the bwlch area of the hill that the Nuttall's list as Diffwys West Top

By the time I arrived at the summit John was taking readings with the level and Graham had the staff in hand and had positioned a row of flags across the plateaued summit area.  A few minutes later and we had pinpointed the high point to be 4 metres from where a small cairn has appeared over recent years.  We moved the cairn to the high point and took a data set with the Trimble.  All that remained was to descend back to the awaiting car.

Using the level and staff to ascertain the high point of Pt. 643.2m

Gathering data from the top of the small cairn

The descent proved rather beautiful as early evening light had broken through the western high cloud that had pushed in over the last hour of the walk.  This gave a delicate feel to the landscape and highlighted the hills in a diffused and welcome light.

On our way down

Delicate evening light on Diffwys

As I passed the old marker stone close to the end of the path I stopped and took a few photographs and looked back toward Diffwys as it stood grandly on display, ahead of me over the Afon Mawddach lay Cadair Idris with the evening light striking and highlighting its northerly cirque of cliffs.

The old marker stone

Cadair Idris bathed in evening light

These mountains are special in their beauty; they are testaments to the ravages of the past when glaciers once carved out the land and left sculptured ridges and high cymoedd which are now inherent in the landscape.


Postscript:

Since surveying these hills full LIDAR coverage is now available.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height and positional data that is now freely available for England and Wales.  Consequently the numerical details for these hills have been analysed using this technique, and where appropriate LIDAR has been used in preference to that produced by the Trimble. 




Survey Result:


Crib y Rhiw

Summit Height:  681.3m (converted to OSGM15) (significant height revision)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 66368 24868

Bwlch Height:  652.1m (converted to OSGM15) (from subsequent Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 66080 25302 (from subsequent Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Drop:  29.2m

Dominance:  4.28%




Diffwys

Summit Height:  750.4m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000) 750.4m (converted to OSGM15, Leica GS15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 66127 23413

Bwlch Height:  602.9m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000) 602.8m (converted to OSGM15, Leica GS15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 66613 24396

Drop:  147.5m (Trimble GeoXH 6000) 147.6m (Leica GS15) 

Dominance:  19.67%




Pt. 643.2m

Summit Height:  643.2m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 64821 22928 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  621.2m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 65177 23005 (LIDAR)

Drop:  22.0m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)  

Dominance:  3.42% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)







For further details please consult the Trimble survey spreadsheet click {here}