Showing posts with label Coed Penllyn. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Coed Penllyn. Show all posts

Sunday, 7 June 2026

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – 100m Twmpau


Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696) 

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in the 100m Twmpau, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from LIDAR analysis conducted by Myrddyn Phillips. 

LIDAR image of Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696)

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

100m Twmpau - Welsh hills at or above 100m and below 200m in height that have 30m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub list entitled the 100m Sub-Twmpau, with the criteria for this sub category being all Welsh hills at or above 100m and below 200m in height with 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  The list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips, with the word Twmpau being an acronym standing for thirty welsh metre prominences and upward. 

100m Twmpau by Myrddyn Phillips

The hill is adjoined to the Mynydd Hiraethog group of hills, which are situated in the northern part of North Wales (Region A, Sub-Region A2), and it is positioned with the A470 road to its west and a minor road to its east, and has the town of Llanrwst towards the south. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

When the original 100m height band of Welsh P30 hills were published on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website, this hill was included in the accompanying Hills to be surveyed sub list under the invented and transposed name of Pen Coed y Bortho, with an accompanying note stating; Name from wood to the West.


Pen Coed y Bortho193mSH78669711517Height from 1989 1:50000 map. Name from wood to the West.


During my early hill listing I thought it appropriate to either invent a name for a hill, or use a name that appeared near to the summit of the hill on Ordnance Survey maps of the day, with little consideration for the meaning of the name and where it was appropriately applied to.  My preference was to use farm names and put Pen, Bryn or Moel in front of them or as in this instance transpose the name of a wood and add the word Pen to it.  This is not a practice that I now advocate as with time and inclination place-name data can be improved either by asking local people or by examining historic documents, through this form of research an appropriate name for the hill can usually be found.

Since the original publication of the Welsh P30 lists on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website, there have been a number of maps made available online.  Some of these are historic such as the series of Six-Inch maps on the National Library of Scotland website.  Whilst others were digitally updated such as the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local that was hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, whilst others are current and digitally updated such as the interactive mapping on the Magic Maps and WalkLakes websites, and it is the series of Ordnance Survey Six-Inch maps coupled with the Ordnance Survey map that was hosted on the Geograph website that form the basis of the change in the listed name of this hill. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps published in 1900

The Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps formed the base map Ordnance Survey used for many decades leading to the production of the 1:10,000 Series of maps, both have now been superseded by the digitised Master Map.  The series of Six-Inch maps are excellent for name placement and especially so compared to the contemporary Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map, and it is the series of Six-Inch maps that name the plantation where the summit of this hill is situated as firstly Planhigfa Penllyn in the 1900 publication and later as Penllyn Wood in the 1953 publication.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps published in 1953

However, it is the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local that was hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map that uses the full Welsh term for this wood and names it as Coed Penllyn.

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in the 100m Twmpau is Coed Penllyn, and this was derived from the foundations of the name appearing on the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps and lastly with the name appearing in its full Welsh form on the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local that was hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map. 

 

The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Mynydd Hiraethog

Name:  Coed Penllyn

Previously Listed Name:  Pen Coed y Bortho 

OS 1:50,000 map:  115

Summit Height:  198.0m (LIDAR) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 78630 69665 (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Height:  170.9m (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 78892 70134 (LIDAR) 

Drop:  27.1m (LIDAR) 

 

Myrddyn Phillips (June 2026) 

Monday, 13 April 2026

Mapping Mountains – Summit Relocations – 100m Twmpau


Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696)

There has been a Summit Relocation to a hill that is listed in the 100m Twmpau, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from LIDAR analysis conducted by Myrddyn Phillips. 

LIDAR image of Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696)

The criteria for the list that this summit relocation applies to are:

100m Twmpau - Welsh hills at or above 100m and below 200m in height that have 30m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub list entitled the 100m Sub-Twmpau, with the criteria for this sub category being all Welsh hills at or above 100m and below 200m in height with 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  The list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips, with the word Twmpau being an acronym standing for thirty welsh metre prominences and upward. 

100m Twmpau by Myrddyn Phillips

The name the hill is now listed by is Coed Penllyn, and this was derived from the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, and it is adjoined to the Mynydd Hiraethog group of hills, which are situated in the northern part of North Wales (Region A, Sub-Region A2), and it is positioned with the A470 road to its west and a minor road to its east, and has the town of Llanrwst towards the south.

When the original 100m height band of Welsh P30 hills were published on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website, this hill was included in the Hills to be surveyed sub list, as it was considered not to meet the criteria then used for the main P30 list, and listed with a 193m summit height positioned at SH 786 697 with an accompanying note stating; Height from 1989 1:50000 map. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map

After the sub list was standardised, and interpolated heights and drop values also included the details for this hill were re-assessed and it was listed as a twin top with an estimated c 25m of drop, based on the 193m spot height that appears on the 1:50,000 Landranger map and a twin 193m map heighted top positioned at SH 78713 69823 that appeared on the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map and an estimated c 168m bwlch height, based on interpolation of 10m contouring between 160m – 170m. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

However, it was not until LIDAR became available that the details for this hill could be accurately re-assessed.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height data that is now freely available for much of England and Wales. 

LIDAR summit image of Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696)

LIDAR analysis gives the highest ground on this hill as 198.0m positioned at SH 78630 69665, and compared to its previously listed twin summit position this comes within the parameters of the Summit Relocations used within this page heading, these parameters are:

The term Summit Relocations applies when the high point of the hill is found to be positioned; in a different field, to a different feature such as in a conifer plantation,  within a different map contour either on Ordnance Survey maps or interactive mapping, to a different point where a number of potential summit positions are within close proximity, when natural ground or the natural and intact summit of a hill is confirmed compared to a higher point such as a raised field boundary or covered reservoir that is considered a relatively recent man-made construct, or the listing of a new twin summit or de-twinning of a summit, or a relocation of approximately 100 metres or more in distance from either the position of a map spot height or from where the summit of the hill was previously thought to exist.

Therefore, the height produced by LIDAR analysis to the summit of this hill is 198.0m and is positioned at SH 78630 69665, this position is close to the spot height that appears on the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map and approximately 158 metres south-westward from where the twin map heighted spot height appeared on the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map. 

 

The full details for the hill are: 

Group:  Mynydd Hiraethog 

Name:  Coed Penllyn 

OS 1:50,000 map:  115

Summit Height:  198.0m (LIDAR) 

Summit Grid Reference (New Position):  SH 78630 69665 (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Height:  170.9m (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 78892 70134 (LIDAR) 

Drop:  27.1m (LIDAR)


Myrddyn Phillips (April 2026) 

Tuesday, 10 March 2026

Mapping Mountains – Significant Height Revisions – 100m Twmpau

 

Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696) 

There has been a Significant Height Revision to a hill that is listed in the 100m Twmpau, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from LIDAR analysis conducted by Myrddyn Phillips. 

LIDAR image of Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696)

The criteria for the list that this height revision applies to are:

100m Twmpau – Welsh hills at or above 100m and below 200m in height that have 30m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub list entitled the 100m Sub-Twmpau with the criteria for this sub category being all Welsh hills at or above 100m and below 200m in height with 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  The list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips, with the word Twmpau being an acronym standing for thirty welsh metre prominences and upward. 

100m Twmpau by Myrddyn Phillips

The name the hill is now listed by is Coed Penllyn, and this was derived from the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, and it is adjoined to the Mynydd Hiraethog group of hills, which are situated in the northern part of North Wales (Region A, Sub-Region A2), and it is positioned with the A470 road to its west and a minor road to its east, and has the town of Llanrwst towards the south.

When the original 100m height band of Welsh P30 hills were published on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website, this hill was included in the Hills to be surveyed sub list, as it was considered not to meet the criteria then used for the main P30 list, and listed with a 193m summit height positioned at SH 786 697 with an accompanying note stating; Height from 1989 1:50000 map. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map

After the sub list was standardised, and interpolated heights and drop values also included the details for this hill were re-assessed and it was listed as a twin top with an estimated c 25m of drop, based on the 193m spot height that appears on the 1:50,000 Landranger map and a twin 193m map heighted top positioned at SH 78713 69823 that appeared on the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map and an estimated c 168m bwlch height, based on interpolation of 10m contouring between 160m – 170m. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

However, it was not until LIDAR became available that the details for this hill could be accurately re-assessed.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height data that is now freely available for much of England and Wales. 

LIDAR summit image of Coed Penllyn (SH 786 696)

The summit height produced by LIDAR analysis is 198.0m and is positioned at SN 78630 69665, and this comes within the parameters of the Significant Height Revisions used within this page heading, these parameters are:

The term Significant Height Revisions applies to any listed hill whose interpolated height and Ordnance Survey, Harvey or other interactive map summit spot height has a 2m or more discrepancy when compared to the survey result produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000 or analysis of data produced via LIDAR.  Also included are hills whose summit map data is missing an uppermost ring contour when compared with the data produced by the Trimble or by LIDAR analysis.

Therefore, the new listed summit height of this hill is 198.0m and this was derived from LIDAR analysis, this is 5.0m higher than the previously listed 193m summit height which appeared as a twin top with a spot height on the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map and the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map.

 

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The full details for the hill are: 

Group:  Mynydd Hiraethog 

Name:  Coed Penllyn 

OS 1:50,000 map:  115

Summit Height (New Height):  198.0m (LIDAR) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 78630 69665 (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Height:  170.9m (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 78892 70134 (LIDAR) 

Drop:  27.1m (LIDAR) 

 

Myrddyn Phillips (March 2026)