Showing posts with label Foel Lwyd. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Foel Lwyd. Show all posts

Friday, 25 January 2019

Mapping Mountains – Significant Height Revisions – Yr Uchafion and 600m Twmpau


Foel Lwyd (SH 720 723)

There has been a Significant Height Revision to a hill that is listed in the Yr Uchafion and 600m Twmpau, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from a Leica GS15 summit survey conducted by John Barnard, Graham Jackson and Myrddyn Phillips and LIDAR bwlch analysis conducted by Aled Williams.

Foel Lwyd (SH 720 723)

The criteria for the two listings that this significant height revision applies to are:

Yr Uchafion – Welsh hills at or above 500m in height that have 15m minimum drop.  The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the Introduction to this list appearing on Mapping Mountains on the 4th November 2015.

600m Twmpau – Welsh hills at or above 600m and below 700m in height that have 30m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub category entitled the 600m Sub-Twmpau consisting of all Welsh hills at or above 600m and below 700m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  With the word Twmpau being an acronym standing for thirty welsh metre prominences and upward.  The list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips.

The name the hill is listed as is Foel Lwyd, and it is adjoined to the Carneddau range of hills, which are situated in the north-western part of North Wales (Region A, Sub-Region A1), and it is positioned with the A 55 road to its north and the Afon Conwy and the A 470 road to its east, and has the town of Penmaenmawr towards the north.

Prior to the survey with the Leica GS15 this hill was listed with an estimated c 54m of drop, based on the 603m summit spot height that appears on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map and the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which is entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, and an estimated c 549m bwlch height based on interpolation of 10m contouring between 540m - 550m.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey Vector Map local hosted on the Geograph website and which is entitled the Interactive Coverage Map

The summit height produced by the Leica GS15 survey is 600.2m, this is not a substantial height revision when compared to some revised heights, but it does come within the parameters of the Significant Height Revisions used within this page heading, these parameters are:

The term Significant Height Revisions applies to any listed hill whose interpolated height and Ordnance Survey or Harvey map summit spot height has a 2m or more discrepancy when compared to the survey result produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000 or any other GNSS receiver, or analysis of data produced via LIDAR, also included are hills whose summit map data is missing an uppermost ring contour when compared to the data produced by the Trimble or by LIDAR analysis.  As heights on different scaled Ordnance Survey maps are not consistent the height given on the 1:25,000 Explorer map is being prioritised in favour of the 1:50,000 Landranger map for detailing these revisions.

The Leica GS15 set-up position at the summit of Foel Lwyd

Therefore, this new listed summit height of this hill is 600.2m and this was derived by a Leica GS15 survey, this is 2.8m lower than its previously listed height of 603m which appears as a spot height on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map and the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local hosted on the Geograph website and which is entitled the Interactive Coverage Map.


ills of Wales, and are reproduced below@
The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Carneddau

Name:  Foel Lwyd

OS 1:50,000 map:  115

Summit Height (New height):  600.2m (converted to OSGM15, Leica GS15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72036 72323 (Leica GS15) 
 
Bwlch Height:  547.2m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72647 72325 (LIDAR)

Drop:  53.0m (Leica GS15 summit and LIDAR bwlch)


Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (January 2019)



Sunday, 2 December 2018

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Carnedd Llywelyn


31.08.18  Foel Lwyd (SH 720 723) and Tal y Fan (SH 729 726)  

Tal y Fan (SH 729 726)

Today I hoped to meet Matthew Myerscough and Michael Murray as they reached the summit of Tal y Fan, the last of 190 Welsh Nuttall summits on their continuous coast to coast walk over these hills that had taken 34 days to complete.  For more details please see their Dragon’s Back Challenge website.

I’d tried to meet Matthew and Michael 15 days ago, but heavy overnight rain meant that instead of pushing on through a part of the Berwyn, whose hills I was surveying, they had taken a day off to re-group.

To complicate matters I had arranged to meet Janet Ruth Davies; a research photographer, in Capel Curig at 4.00pm, and therefore I needed to leave the summit of Tal y Fan by 2.30pm, would Matthew and Michael be on this final summit by then, all I could do was reach the summit and wait.

As I drove up the high road toward Bwlch y Ddeufaen that heads in to the northern Carneddau, the sky shone blue, a radiant colour at this time in the morning.  The route I had planned was not long, as it only took in Foel Lwyd and Tal y Fan, but I wanted to take data from each bwlch and summit to compare against that taken by John, Graham and myself with the Leica GS15 in May 2013 when we surveyed the summit of Tal y Fan, and the following day the summit of Foel Lwyd, and by Alan Dawson who in June 2017 surveyed each summit and bwlch with his Leica RX1250.

I was walking up the continuation of the narrow road to the south of Tal y Fan by just after 10.00am and hoped to complete the surveys by 1.30pm, which would give me an hour on the summit of Tal y Fan waiting for Matthew and Michael.

A car and camper van sat resting in the early morning sun in the car park at the end of the narrow road, their occupants either on the hill or still asleep, from here a track heads toward the bwlch which is dominated by two standing stones, these sentinels have stood guard for many millennia, and although the construction of pylons that cross this bwlch is an imposition that nowadays would probably not be granted planning permission, the monoliths still stand solemnly on the passage of time.  This morning they were bathed in sunshine with yellowed gorse and purpled heather as backdrop.

Looking toward Bwlch Ddeufaen

The southerly monolith

The northerly monolith

The bwlch of Tal y Fan is positioned close to these two ancient monoliths and Alan had previously surveyed it with the Leica RX1250, I wanted to gather data from his bwlch position and also from a second position approximately 100 metres distant that OS Maps indicate is a contender for the critical bwlch.

The first position was beside a bog and realising I had plenty of time until my hoped for rendezvous I decided to gather ten minutes of data.  During this a number of people passed mainly heading over the bwlch, with one person heading south-west up toward Carnedd y Ddelw.  Once data were gathered and stored I wandered through the heather toward the second position to be surveyed, and another ten minute data set was duly gathered.

Gathering data at the critical bwlch of Tal y Fan

Leaving the bwlch I made steady progress up beside the wall leading toward the summit area of Foel Lwyd, the last time I’d visited this hill was in May 2013 with John Barnard and Graham Jackson the day after filming with BBC Breakfast on the summit of Tal y Fan, and although we worked extremely well as a team on and off the hill, I can remember disagreement in the ranks even then, on this particular day the conversation was partly based on what hills we should concentrate on surveying, as although I’d invested a great amount of time and effort in to the team as well as a substantial amount of money, the hills I either wanted to survey or suggested to survey were usually dispensed with and others favoured instead.

The summit of Foel Lwyd is situated on the southern side of a stone wall and this had to be negotiated to get to it.  Stone wall and barb wired fence climbing are two intrinsic parts of hill walking that seem to be getting more difficult with the passage of time, and this one proved no different as I sat astride the wall wondering what my next move should be!

Eventually I slithered down the wall and made my way through heather toward the small rock where the summit of Foel Lwyd is positioned.  During the morning a brisk breeze blew and so I positioned the Trimble atop my rucksack which was nestled on its back, and aligned the internal antenna of the Trimble with the high point of the hill and noted the measurement offset between it and the ground below, before pressing ‘Log’ and waiting for ten minutes of data to be gathered and stored.

Gathering data at the summit of Foel Lwyd

By now I was scouring adjacent hillsides in the faint hope of spotting Matthew and Michael, unsurprisingly the distance involved meant that even if they were walking on one of the ridges I would probably not pick them out.

Away to the north the gauged out husk of Penmaen Mawr, which in its time was an impressive hill with over 100m of prominence, and due to quarrying is now two separate P30s, stood out with Ynys Seiriol (Puffin Island) behind, with its brambled summit being a test of mind and body to reach.

The two summits of Penmaen Mawr with Ynys Seiriol in the background

Ahead the rock strewn upper slopes of Tal y Fan rose domed like out of heathered surrounds, with its trig pillar pointing skyward.  My next survey was the connecting bwlch between these two hills, this is the critical bwlch of Foel Lwyd and is placed beside the stone wall.  I found placing the Trimble on top of it to be the easiest course of action, and another data set was gathered.

Tal y Fan from Foel Lwyd

Gathering data at the bwlch area of Foel Lwyd

A path leads from the bwlch through the rocky upper slopes of Tal y Fan to the ladder style close to its trig pillar and large embedded rock which is its high point.  When I arrived there was a buzz of a radio receiver and Dave; its operator, was busy connecting with a multitude of people, we only talked briefly as I wanted solitude and a sit in the brisk sun drenched breeze.  But before doing this I wanted to gather the last data set of the walk from the high point of Tal y Fan.

Gathering data at the summit of Tal y Fan

As the Trimble gathered this last data set I sat on a rock beside the stone wall and again scoured adjacent hillsides for any sign of Matthew and Michael.  Once the Trimble had gathered and stored its allotted data I closed it down, packed it away and had a bite to eat and sat waiting.  After an hour I wondered if Matthew and Michael had already been over the summit and were now heading down to the completion of their continuous walk at the coast to the north.  By 2.15pm there was no sign of them and so I gathered up the bottle of celebratory bubbly I’d brought and which was nestled in my rucksack, taped the congratulatory note I had written to its side and positioned it at the base of the trig pillar, hoping that if they were still on their way toward Tal y Fan they would at least find it.  At 2.30pm I started my descent.

The bottle of bubbly left (and found) for Matthew and Michael

Nestled out of the breeze awaiting a continuous Welsh Nuttall completion

It is only a short distance from the summit of Tal y Fan following the path down its slopes to a ladder stile close to its connecting bwlch and then onward to the narrow lane where my car was parked.  During my descent I continued to look out toward Pen y Castell which I presumed would be Matthew and Michael’s penultimate hill and wondered if they would head in a direct route from this hill to Tal y Fan, they did not, as although I missed meeting them, they found the bottle of bubbly having arrived on the summit of Tal y Fan at 4.30pm after doubling back to Drum from Pen y Castell.  It was a shame I had missed them, and their achievement in completing a continuous traverse of the Welsh Nuttalls and in the process raising £5,000 for the Llanberis and Aberglaslyn Mountain Rescue Teams is to be applauded.


Postscript

Since visiting these hills full LIDAR coverage is now available.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height and positional data that is now freely available for England and Wales.  Consequently the numerical details for these hills have been analysed using this technique, resulting in the LIDAR height and position being prioritised for the bwlch of Foel Lwyd.


  

Survey Result:



Foel Lwyd 

Summit Height:  600.2m (converted to OSGM15, from previous Leica GS15 survey) (significant height revision)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72036 72323 (from previous Leica GS15 survey)

Bwlch Height:  547.2m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72647 72325 (LIDAR)

Drop:  53.0m (Leica GS15 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  8.83% (Leica GS15 summit and LIDAR bwlch)





Tal y Fan

Summit Height:  610.0m (converted to OSGM15, average of two previous surveys by a Leica GS15 and Leica RX1250)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72936 72648 (from previous Leica RX1250 survey)

Bwlch Height:  420.5m (converted to OSGM15, from previous Leica RX1250 survey)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 71446 71856 (from previous Leica RX1250 survey)

Drop:  189.5m (from previous Leica RX1250 survey)

Dominance:  31.07% (from previous Leica RX1250 survey)









Sunday, 9 October 2016

Prospective Ordnance Survey Datum Change and the effect on Mountain Heights


The Sunday Times have published a piece on the prospective reclassification to some of the hills in Britain if Ordnance Survey changed the height of their datum point based on current or future mean sea level. 

The Sunday Times article this morning

Mean sea level is regarded to have increased in height since the second geodetic levelling was completed by Ordnance Survey in 1921 and the third in 1956, both of which were based from measurements taken at Newlyn.

It is now accepted that sea levels are rising by around 1½ inches (4cm) per decade, and it is almost 100 years since the second geodetic levelling at Newlyn was completed, based on these simplified figures mean sea level would be approximately 40cm higher nowadays compared to the height of the current mean sea level datum point. 

If Ordnance Survey updated their datum point in a decade's time the height difference between the current point at Newlyn and an updated datum point would be approximately 40-45cm.  The hills that have been accurately surveyed by GPS/GNSS equipment that will be affected if Ordnance Survey alter their datum point, and therefore all known heights throughout Britain are reduced by 40-45cm appear below.


The Munros (Scotland, 3,000ft minimum height and above):

Beinn Teallach    914.6m summit height at NN 36139 85964.

 
The Leica set-up position on Beinn Teallach, sometimes it can get a wee bit windy on these Munros!


Corbetts (Scotland, 2,500ft and above and below 3,000ft in height with 500ft minimum drop):

Beinn na h-Uamha    762.4m summit height at NM 91719 66415.




Simms (Britain, 600m minimum height with 30m minimum drop):

Y Gribin    600.4m summit height at SH 84356 17712.

Foel Lwyd    600.1m summit height at SH 72040 72326.

Alan Dawson beside the Leica RX1250 at the summit of Y Gribin


Hewitts (England and Wales, 2,000ft minimum height with 30m minimum drop):

Nuttalls (Englland and Wales, 2,000ft Minimum height with 15m minimum drop):

Bloodybush Edge    609.8m summit height at NT 90223 14342.

Thack Moor    609.65m summit height at NY 61166 46278.

Calf Top    609.61m summit height at SD 66450 85624.

Tal y Fan    610.0m summit height at SH 72936 72648.

Mynydd Graig Goch    609.75m summit height at SH 49732 48518.


Thack Moor

Calf Top

Tal y Fan

Deweys (England, Wales and Isle of Man, 500m and above and below 609.6m (2,oooft) in height with 30m minimum drop):

Ffridd yr Allt Llwyd    500.4m summit height at SH 79724 29615.


Jo Barnard beside the Leica equipment on the summit of Ffridd yr Allt Llwyd


Y Pedwarau (Wales, 400m and above and below 500m in height with 30m minimum drop):

Craig y Dduallt    400.3m (converted to OSGM15) summit height at SJ 23280 40062.

Moel Tywysog    400.2m (converted to OSGM15)  summit height at SH 98480 65714.

Mynydd Deulyn    400.1m (converted to OSGM15) summit height at SH 75936 61265.


The summit of Moel Tywysog
 
The summit cairn atop Mynydd Deulyn

The above only take in a small percentage of the listings that have been compiled, and there are other listings that use a minimum height in their criteria, such as the Grahams and The Fours, but there are no hills that have been accurately surveyed with GPS/GNSS receiver within these listings that would be affected.  However, there are also a multitude of hills in all sorts of listings that are near to threshold minimum heights that have not yet been accurately surveyed by Differential GPS.  Therefore the overall changes within hill listings caused by a change and updating by Ordnance Survey of their datum point would be dramatic.

Myrddyn Phillips (October 2016)



The Times website

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