Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

Crow Knoll (SD 960 105)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with this being announced when the 2^nd edition of The Fours was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24^th April 2018.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.  Accompanying the main list of The Fours are three categories of sub hills, with this hill being classified in the 390m Double Sub-Four category.  The criteria for 390m Double Sub-Four status are all English hills at or above 390m and below 400m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list published by Mapping Mountains Publications and by Haroldstreet on the 24^th April 2018.

The hill is situated in the Southern Pennines and is placed in Region 36 with its Cardinal Hill being Way Stone Edge (SD 997 140).  The hill is positioned with the A 640 road to its north, the A 663 road to its west and the A 672 road to its south-east, and has the village of Denshaw to the east and the town of Shaw to the south-west.

This hill was not included in the listing that is now known as The Fours when originally compiled as it did not at that stage include a sub-list to the hills at or above 390m and below 400m in height.  Subsequently the hill was listed as Crow Knowl in the 1^st edition of The Fours when the list was published by Europeaklist in December 2013. 

Extract from the current Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

Hill list authors are prone to list a hill by the name that appears nearest to its summit on contemporary Ordnance Survey maps, with little consideration for its local or historical confirmation, or whether map placement is appropriate, and research conducted by Aled concluded that Ordnance Survey have recorded this hill’s name as both Crow Knoll and Crow Knowl, with the latter being archaic.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is Crow Knoll and this was derived from historic Ordnance Survey maps. 

The full details for the hill are:

Cardinal Hill:  Way Stone Edge

Name:  Crow Knoll

Previously Listed Name:  Crow Knowl 

Summit Height:  391m

OS 1:50,000 map:  109

Summit Grid Reference:  SD 960 105 

 

Drop:  c 20m

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (August 2018)

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

Great Hill (SD 810 288)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with this being announced when the 2^nd edition of The Fours was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24^th April 2018.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.  Accompanying the main list of The Fours are three categories of sub hills, with this hill being classified in the 390m Double Sub-Four category.  The criteria for 390m Double Sub-Four status are all English hills at or above 390m and below 400m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list published by Mapping Mountains Publications and by Haroldstreet on the 24^th April 2018.

The hill is situated in the Southern Pennines and is placed in Region 36 with its Cardinal Hill being Cowpe Moss (SD 834 193).  The hill is positioned with the A 56 road to its west and the A 682 road to its east, and has the town of Accrington towards the west.

This hill was not included in the listing that is now known as The Fours when originally compiled as it did not at that stage include a sub-list to the hills at or above 390m and below 400m in height.  Subsequently the hill was listed as Hameldon Hill in the 1^st edition of The Fours when the list was published by Europeaklist in December 2013. 

Hill list authors are prone to list a hill by the name that appears nearest to its summit on contemporary Ordnance Survey maps, without much consideration for its local or historical confirmation, or whether map placement is appropriate, and research conducted by Aled concluded that Ordnance Survey maps suggest that the name Hameldon Hill applies to an area of upland including the neighbouring hill of Great Hameldon, whilst the name of Great Hill appears adjacent to this hill’s summit on the series of Ordnance Survey Six-Inch maps.

Extract from the series of Ordnance Survey Six-Inch maps

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is Great Hill and this was derived from historic Ordnance Survey maps. 

The full details for the hill are:

Cardinal Hill:  Cowpe Moss

Name:  Great Hill

Previously Listed Name:  Hameldon Hill 

Summit Height:  399.4m (LIDAR)

OS 1:50,000 map:  103

Summit Grid Reference:  SD 81067 28866 (LIDAR)  

Drop:  22.5m (LIDAR)

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (August 2018)

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

Totridge Fell (SD 634 487)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with this being announced when the 2^nd edition of The Fours was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24^th April 2018.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list published by Mapping Mountains Publications and by Haroldstreet on the 24^th April 2018.

The hill is situated in the Southern Pennines and is placed in Region 36 with its Cardinal Hill being Ward’s Stone (SD 591 587).  The hill is positioned with the M6 to its west and the B 6478 road to its east, and has the village of Dunsop Bridge towards the north-east and Chipping towards the south south-west.

When the listing that is now known as The Fours was originally compiled this hill appeared under the name of Totridge, and this was also the name the hill appeared as when the list was uploaded to the RHB Yahoo group file database.  Subsequently the hill was listed as Totridge in the 1^st edition of The Fours when the list was published by Europeaklist in December 2013. 

Extract from the current Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map

Hill list authors are prone to list a hill by the name that appears nearest to its summit on contemporary Ordnance Survey maps, without much consideration for its local or historical confirmation, or whether map placement is appropriate, and in the case of this hill it was research conducted by Aled to names used on older Ordnance Survey maps including the series of Six-Inch maps that concluded that the name of Totridge Fell is a more appropriate name for this hill.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps

Extract from the Ordnance Survey historical 1:25,000 map

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is Totridge Fell and this was derived from a variety of older Ordnance Survey maps including that of the series of Six-Inch maps. 

The full details for the hill are:

Cardinal Hill:  Ward’s Stone

Name:  Totridge Fell

Previously Listed Name:  Totridge

 

Summit Height:  496m

OS 1:50,000 map:  102, 103

Summit Grid Reference:  SD 63456 48732

  

Drop:  52m

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (August 2018)

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

Crumma Pasture (NZ 085 061)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with this being announced when the 2^nd edition of The Fours was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24^th April 2018.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.  Accompanying the main list of The Fours are three categories of sub hills, with this hill listed as a 390m Sub-Four.  The criteria for 390m Sub-Four status are all English hills at or above 390m and below 400m in height that have 30m minimum drop.

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list published by Mapping Mountains Publications and by Haroldstreet on the 24^th April 2018.

The hill is situated in the Northern Pennines and is placed in Region 35, Section 35A with its Cardinal Hill being Great Shunner Fell (SD 848 972).  The hill is positioned with the A 66 road to its north-east and the A 6108 road and the town of Richmond towards its south-east.

When the listing that is now known as The Fours was originally compiled this hill was not included as the sub category did not take in hills below 400m in height, however when the list was uploaded to the RHB Yahoo group file database the hill was listed as unnamed summit.  Subsequently the hill was listed as Weather Hill in the 1^st edition of The Fours when the list was published by Europeaklist in December 2013. 

Hill list authors are prone to list a hill by the name that appears nearest to its summit on contemporary Ordnance Survey maps, without much consideration for its local or historical confirmation, or whether map placement is appropriate, and in the case of this hill Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer maps position the name of Weather Hill adjacent to a 382m map heighted top and to the north-west of the summit of this hill.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

Since the original publication of this list on the RHB Yahoo Group file database there have been a number of Ordnance Survey maps made available online, some of these are historical such as the series of Six-Inch maps on the National Library of Scotland website, whilst others are current and digitally updated such as the Interactive Coverage Map hosted on the Geograph website.  Two of the historical maps now available are the Ordnance Survey Draft Surveyors map which formed the basis for the Ordnance Survey One-Inch ‘Old Series’ map, and it was the latter of these maps as well as the Six-Inch map that position the name of Crumma Pasture adjacent to this hill.

The One-Inch ‘Old Series’ was the first map that Ordnance Survey published, and they were based on the preceding Draft Surveyors map.  Their publication culminated from the whole of Britain being surveyed between 1791 and 1874 and the detail gathered therein produced at a scale of one inch to the mile and published in sheet format between 1805 and 1874.  The One-Inch ‘Old Series’ maps for the whole of England are now available online, they are also available in map format as enlarged and re-projected versions to match the scale and dimensions of the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger series and are published by Cassini.  This series of maps forms another important part in the study of upland place-names and bridge the time frame leading to the production of the Ordnance Survey base map of the Six-Inch series.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey One-Inch 'Old Series' map

For many years The Ordnance Survey Six-Inch map was the base map for information to be fed on to, the scale was superseded in the 1950s by the 1:10,000 series of maps and was available as sheets until the 1980s when they were digitised.  One of the recurring themes of Ordnance Survey maps is that some of the data are not consistent between the different scales of maps available, this is particularly noticeable for numerical data between the two publicly available scales of 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer maps.  However, when studying place-names it is also noticeable that name placement and sometimes composition is not consistent between these lower scaled maps and their larger scaled and older maps of the Six-Inch series.  It is also noticeable that some names appear on the Six-Inch map whilst they do not appear on the smaller scaled maps.  Extensive research has shown that place-name data and numerical data on the series of Six-Inch maps, and especially so for the former’s placement, are more appropriate and accurate compared too much of the information on contemporary maps. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey Six-Inch map published in 1857

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is Crumma Pasture and this was derived from the Ordnance Survey One-Inch ‘Old Series’ map as well as the Ordnance Survey Six-Inch map, with map placement for the name of Weather Hill favouring land to the north-west of this hill’s summit.  

The full details for the hill are:

Cardinal Hill:  Great Shunner Fell

Name:  Crumma Pasture

Previously Listed Name:  Weather Hill

 

Summit Height:  392

OS 1:50,000 map:  92

Summit Grid Reference:  NZ 08593 06115  

Drop:  33m

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (June 2018)

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

Whitecombe Moss (SD 151 873)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with this being announced when the 2^nd edition of The Fours was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24^th April 2018.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at and above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.  Accompanying the main list of The Fours are three categories of sub hills, with this hill listed as a 400m Sub-Four.  The criteria for 400m Sub-Four status are all English hills at and above 400m and below 500m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list published by Mapping Mountains Publications and by Haroldstreet on the 24^th April 2018.

The hill is situated in the Southern Fells of the Lake District and is placed in Region 34, Section 34D with its Cardinal Hill being The Old Man of Coniston (SD 272 978).  The hill is positioned with the A 595 road to its west and its east, and has the small town of Millom towards its south- south-east.

When the listing that is now known as The Fours was originally compiled this hill was not included as it did not meet the criteria then used, however this list has now been standardised and interpolated height and drop values also added, it was subsequently listed under the name of Stoupdale Head in the 1st edition of The Fours when the list was published by Europeaklist in December 2013. 

Prior to publication of the 2^nd edition of The Fours enquiries were made with two well-known Lake District guide book authors, resulting in the name of Stoupdale Head being considered as ‘very plausible’, and the advice that ‘one would need to talk to genuine locals and shepherds to give definitive answers’. 

Therefore, as there is no definite confirmation of Stoupdale Head being an appropriate name for this hill, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is Whitecombe Moss, which is the name appearing nearest the summit of this hill on a number of different scaled Ordnance Survey maps. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps

The full details for the hill are:

Group:  The Old Man of Coniston

Name:  Whitecombe Moss

Previously Listed Name:  Stoupdale Head

Summit Height:  472m

OS 1:50,000 map:  96

Summit Grid Reference:  SD 15150 87370

  

Drop:  26m

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (June 2018)

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

High Forest (NY 492 143)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with this being announced when the 2^nd edition of The Fours was published by Mapping Mountains Publications on the 24^th April 2018.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at and above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.  Accompanying the main list of The Fours are three categories of sub hills, with this hill listed as a 400m Sub-Four.  The criteria for 400m Sub-Four status are all English hills at and above 400m and below 500m in height that have 20m and more and below 30m of drop.  

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list published by Mapping Mountains Publications and by Haroldstreet on the 24^th April 2018.

The hill is situated in the Eastern Fells of the Lake District and is placed in Region 34, Section 34C with its Cardinal Hill being High Street (NY 440 110).  The hill is positioned with the expanse of Haweswater Reservoir to its west, and has the small community of Burnbanks towards the north-east.

When the listing that is now known as The Fours was originally compiled this hill appeared under the name of Kit Crag, this was also the name it appeared as when the list was uploaded to the RHB Yahoo group file database.  Subsequently the hill was listed as Naddle High Forest in the 1st edition of The Fours when the list was published by Europeaklist in December 2013. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 historical map

Prior to publication of the 2^nd edition of The Fours enquiries were made with two well-known Lake District guide book authors, resulting in the name of Naddle High Forest considered as ‘very possibly correct’, and the advice that ‘one would need to talk to genuine locals and shepherds to give definitive answers’. 

Therefore, as there is no definite confirmation of Naddle High Forest being an appropriate name for this hill, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is High Forest, which is the name appearing nearest the summit of this hill on a number of different scaled Ordnance Survey maps.  

The full details for the hill are:

Group:  High Street

Name:  High Forest

Previously Listed Name:  Naddle High Forest 

Summit Height:  435m

OS 1:50,000 map:  90

Summit Grid Reference:  NY 49245 14308

  

Drop:  c 28m

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (May 2018)

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – The Fours

Walker’s Bank (SO 389 984)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in The Fours, with the height, drop and status of the hill confirmed by a Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey conducted by Myrddyn Phillips which took place on the 5^th November 2014.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

The Fours – English hills at and above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop. 

Accompanying the main list of The Fours are three categories of sub hills, with this hill being classified in the 390m Sub-Four category.  The criteria for 390m Sub-Four status are all English hills at and above 390m and below 400m in height that have a minimum 30m of drop.

The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the 1^st edition of the list having been published by Europeaklist in December 2013 and by Haroldstreet in January 2014, with the 2^nd edition of the list due for publication by Mapping Mountains Publications in early 2018.

The hill is situated in the Welsh Borders and is placed in Region 38, Section 38A with its Cardinal Hill being the Stiperstones (SO 367 986).  The hill is positioned above a number of minor lanes with the one to its south-west being a part of the Shropshire Way, and has the small communities of Stiperstones towards its north-west and Picklescott towards its east north-east.

Walker's Bank (SO 389 984)

This hill was not included in the listing that is now known as The Fours when originally compiled as it did not at that stage include a sub-list to the hills at and above 390m and below 400m in height.  When this list was subsequently uploaded to the RHB Yahoo group file database and data then augmented from Clem Clements it appeared listed as; unnamed summit~.  These data were then duplicated by Mark Jackson to form this height band within the Tumps and this hill is now listed as Gatten Hill within that list, presumably so as there are a number of buildings positioned near to this hill with the name Gatten applied to them on contemporary Ordnance Survey maps, such as Gatten Lodge, Far Gatten and Near Gatten Farm.

Although I am of firm belief that listed hill names used by other authors should be respected when giving detail within other people’s lists, the practice of inventing a hill name based on the proximity of buildings near to where it is situated is not a practice that I now advocate as with time and inclination place-name data can be improved either by asking local people or by examining historical documents, through this form of research an appropriate name for the hill can usually be found, and this hill now appears under the name of Walker’s Bank in The Fours due to research conducted by Aled William’s with local farmers.

Prior to the 1^st edition of The Fours being published by Europeaklist in December 2013 this hill was not included in this list, therefore although there is no change in this hill’s listed name within The Fours it is worth categorising under the heading of Significant Name Changes as the name this hill is now listed by comes from local enquiry. 

  

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in The Fours is Walker’s Bank and this was derived from local enquiry. 

The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Stiperstones

Name:  Walker’s Bank

Previously Listed Name:  Not previously listed in The Fours

 

Summit Height:  399.0m (converted to OSGM15)

OS 1:50,000 map:  137

Summit Grid Reference:  SO 38905 98491

  

Drop:  43.6m (converted to OSGM15)

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 gathering data at the summit of Walker's Bank (SO 389 984)

For details on the survey of Walker’s Bank

Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (February 2018)