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Thursday, 14 November 2019

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales


Garreg y Noddfa (SN 930 761)

There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in the Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Waleswith the summit height and its location derived by a Leica 530 survey conducted by John Barnard, Graham Jackson and Myrddyn Phillips, and the bwlch height and its location, the drop and status of the hill derived by LIDAR analysis initially conducted by Aled Williams and subsequently by Myrddyn Phillips.

The summit of Garreg y Noddfa (SN 930 761)

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales.  Welsh hills at or above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop, accompanying the main list are five categories of sub hills; 500m Sub-Pedwarau, 500m Double Sub-Pedwarau, 400m Sub-Pedwarau, 390m Sub-Pedwarau and the 390m Double Sub-Pedwarau.  The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams and is published on Mapping Mountains in Google Doc format.

Y Pedwarau - The 400m Hills of Wales by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams

The hill is adjoined to the Hirddywel group of hills, which are situated in the north-eastern part of South Wales (Region B, Sub-Region B2), and it is positioned with the A470 road and the Afon Gwy (River Wye) to its west and the B4518 road to its east, and has the town of Llanidloes towards the north and the town of Rhaeadr Gwy (Rhayader) towards the south-east.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

The hill appeared in the original Welsh 400m P30 list on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website under the transposed name of Bryn Titli, which is a prominent name that appears close to the summit of the hill on the contemporary Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer map.


Bryn Titli497mSN930762136/147214
 

The listed name of this hill was revised to Fawnog Gnapiog in the 1st edition of the Y Pedwarau published by Europeaklist in May 2013.  With this revised name being one of the main named features of the hill as opposed to that of Bryn Titli which has been placed consistently by Ordnance Survey adjacent to a 492.7m high hill positioned at SN 93383 75719. 

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps

Since publication of the 1st edition of Y Pedwarau the Tithe maps for Wales have become available online.  The term Tithe map is generally given to a map of a Welsh or English parish or township and which was prepared after the 1836 Tithe Commutation Act.  This act allowed tithes to be paid in cash rather than goods.  The Tithe maps gave names of owners and occupiers of land in each parish and importantly for place-name research they also included the name of enclosed land.  This enclosed land is usually based on a field system, however not every field is given a name, but many are and especially so in Wales.

Extract from the Tithe map

The enclosed land on Tithe maps is given a number that can be cross referenced against the apportionments; it is these apportionments that give the name of the owner or occupier of the land as well as the name of the land.  However, in this instance it is the actual Tithe map that gives the name of Garreg y Noddfa beside the summit of this hill.  With the details on the Tithe map appearing in the parish of Llangurig and in the county named as Montgomery.

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in the Y Pedwarau – The 400m Hills of Wales is Garreg y Noddfa, and this was derived from the Tithe map.


The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Hirddywel

Name:  Garreg y Noddfa

Previously Listed Name:  Fawnog Gnapiog

OS 1:50,000 map:  136, 147

Summit Height:  495.7m (Leica 530, converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 93038 76169 (Leica 530)

Bwlch Height:  436.8m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 93726 74215 (LIDAR)

Drop:  58.8m (Leica 530 summit and LIDAR bwlch)


Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (November 2019)







Friday, 28 October 2016

Mapping Mountains – Significant Name Changes – Y Pedwarau - The 400m Hills of Wales


Fawnog Gnapiog (SN 930 761)


This hill is now listed as Garreg y Noddfa, with the details below kept for historic merit


There has been a Significant Name Change to a hill that is listed in the Y Pedwarauwith the hill's height and drop being surveyed with the Trimble GeoXH 6000 on the 12th March 2016.

The criteria for the list that this name change applies to are:

Y Pedwarau These are the Welsh hills at and above 400m and below 500m in height that have 30m minimum drop.  The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams, with the introduction to the Mapping Mountains publication of this list appearing on the 30th January 2017.

The hill is a part of the Pegwn Mawr range, this group of hills is situated in the north-eastern part of Mid and West Wales, and the hill is positioned between the small community of Llangurig to the north north-west and the town of Rhaeadr Gwy (Rhayader) to the south south-east.

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 gathering data at the summit of Fawnog Gnapiog

The hill appeared in the 400m P30 list on Geoff Crowder’s v-g.me website under the name of Bryn Titli, which is a name that appeared close to the summit of the hill on Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer maps of the day.  


Bryn Titli
    497m
    SN930762
    136/147
  214
   

During my early hill listing I paid little regard to name placement on a map, or the meaning of names and to what feature the name was appropriately applied to.  Therefore I prioritised names for listing purposes that I now understand are inappropriate, and Bryn Titli is such an example as this name has been consistently applied by the Ordnance Survey to land taking in a 492.7m (converted to OSGM15) high hill at SN 93383 75719 and whose summit is positioned 500 metres to the south-east, whilst a number of different scaled Ordnance Survey maps place the name Fawnog Gnapiog as applicable to land extending to the south south-west from this hill’s summit and importantly this land is a part of this hill.  

Extract from the Ordnance Survey series of Six-Inch maps

Extract from the Ordnance Survey historical 1:25,000 map

Extract from the current Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

Therefore, the name this hill is now listed by in the Y Pedwarau is Fawnog Gnapiog and this was derived from a number of different scaled Ordnance Survey maps that place this name applicable to land extending from the summit of this hill.


The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Pegwn Mawr

Name:  Fawnog Gnapiog

Previously Listed Name:  Bryn Titli
 
Summit Height:  495.7m (converted to OSGM15, Leica 530)

OS 1:50,000 map:  136, 147

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 93038 76169 

Drop:  59.0m (Leica 530 summit and LIDAR bwlch)




Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (October 2016)









Thursday, 17 March 2016

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Hirddywel


12.03.16  Pen Crwn (SN 963 736), Cefn Penlan (SN 952 755), Drysgol (SN 946 744), Bryn Titli (SN 933 757), Garreg y Noddfa (SN 930 761), Garreg Lwyd (SN 942 733), Mynydd Perthi (SN 953 727) and Yr Wylorn (SN 959 724)  

Bryn Titli (SN 933 757)

When contacting people in regard to the Table of Progress for Y Pedwarau I struck up email conversation with a number of people, one being Fergal Hingerty.  Fergal is a native Irishman who now resides in Bristol with many if not all of his weekends spent bagging hills.

Fergal’s hill bagging story is a remarkable one as he was diagnosed with advanced stage one of spinal degeneration which left him with the prospect of life in a wheelchair.  After undergoing a 9½ hour operation and months of rehab he is now walking the hills and is quickly amassing his Pedwar total.  An invite to join him on a walk was not to be missed.

We met just to the north of Rhaeadr Gwy (Rhayader) and parked our cars farther up the minor road that makes its way to St Harmon.  The circuit we had planned was a horseshoe walk around the valley that encloses the Marcheini Fawr stream.

As we ascended a muddy track toward the summit of our first hill of the day; Pen Crwn, the overhead conditions of grey skies with a steak of early morning brightness gave the prospect that the cloud would break and give us welcome sunshine.

Fergal nearing the summit of Pen Crwn

The summit of Pen Crwn comprises moor grass and as the Trimble gathered its customary five minutes of data we stood and chatted and considered the route ahead.  Initially this was following the hill’s broad northern ridge which gave us heathery and boggy conditions until easier grass was found which took us down to the hill’s bwlch.

Gathering data at the summit of Pen Crwn

After surveying the bwlch the first light specks of drizzle closed in on us from the north, although only light the drizzly conditions then stayed with us for the rest of the walk.  After packing the Trimble away we continued to the top of Cefn Penlan which is listed as a Sub-Pedwar with an estimated c 24m of drop.  This wasn’t a hill on our planned route but as the conifer plantation at its summit had been felled, it seemed wise to visit its highest point and gather another data set with the Trimble.

As the Trimble gathered data we considered our route toward the summit of Drysgol, between us and it was a morass of tussock grass and bog, we opted for a route straight through the tussocks and aiming for a green track that contours this hill’s northern slopes.  Although the going was rough it was not prolonged and soon we were on the green track and heading toward the high point of Drysgol which is immersed in deep heather.

Gathering data on the summit area of Cefn Penlan

As Fergal wanted to visit as many Pedwarau as he could during the day, he decided that as I continued surveying each summit and bylchau on my way to the top of Garreg y Noddfa, he would head north to the summit of Craig Gelli Dywyll (SN 951 763) on a there and back walk and catch up with me on the continuing track through the wind turbines that predominate the central part of our planned route.  This was estimated to take an hour; therefore we made our way through the continuing tussocks, heather and bog toward a fence junction where I headed north-west and Fergal headed north.  Off he went, leaving me to survey the critical bwlch of Drysgol which I’d wanted to do ever since getting the Trimble.  I’d estimated this hill’s drop as 102ft (31.1m) from a basic levelling survey that I’d conducted of the bwlch on the 13th May 2005, and ever since I’d always wondered if this hill had sufficient drop to be included in the main Pedwar list.

Gathering data on the summit area of Drysgol

The bwlch consists of more tussocks and is placed to the north-west of where a 457m spot height appears on current Ordnance Survey maps.  It’ll be interesting to see if Drysgol retains its Pedwar status, I for one hope it does, as its summit is isolated from the other hills we planned on visiting during the day’s walk and gives good views and is undisturbed by the wind turbines that scatter themselves across the next bit of land I now headed toward.

Gathering data on the bwlch area of Drysgol

As I arrived at the high point of Bryn Titli, which is listed as having 19m of drop and therefore only one metre below Sub-Pedwar status, I looked out into the gloom and spotted Fergal as a small black dot on the summit of Craig Gelli Dywyll.  By the time I’d positioned the Trimble on top of my rucksack to give it elevation above its moorland surrounds he was making his way back from the summit.

The view from Bryn Titli of the heather bound summit of Drysgol

I quickly made my way down to another bog which constitutes the area of the bwlch of Bryn Titli, and stood on tussock grass just above patches of shallow water as the Trimble gathered another five minutes of data.  Next stop; the summit of Garreg y Noddfa, which I’d previously surveyed with John and Graham in February 2009, its high point is on grass on the northern edge of the track that continues its way south between the turbines that are scattered across this part of land.

Gathering data on the the summit area of Garreg y Noddfa

By the time I’d packed the Trimble away Fergal had appeared and quickly caught up with me, it had been just over an hour since he had headed off to bag Craig Gelli Dywyll.  The grey conditions were now set for the rest of the afternoon and the light drizzle continued to fall from a dead pan grey sky that had descended over some of the higher 500m peaks to our west.

We now had another six surveys ahead of us, with the first being in another expansive bog and which constitutes the bwlch of Garreg y Noddfa.  Fergal wisely waited on the gravelled track as I stood in my wellies in water waiting for the Trimble to do its stuff.

Another expansive bog, this one is the bwlch of Garreg y Noddfa

Beyond this bwlch lay the highest summit of the day; Garreg Lwyd, which was another hill I’d surveyed with John and Graham in February 2009.  Its high point is on grass next to a few flat stones which constitute the semblance of a tiny cairn.  By now the grey conditions had closed in and rain showers slowly ebbed down surrounding valleys, but it was never wet enough for me to put my Goretex jacket on and I continued in the hope of trying to keep my camera and surveying gear relatively dry.

Fergal at the summit of Garreg Lwyd

Only two hills remained, Mynydd Perthi which is a Sub-Pedwar listed with 26m of drop and the higher Yr Wylorn which is listed as a Pedwar with 56m of drop.  The grassy eastern slopes of Garreg Lwyd took us down to the next connecting bwlch which is the critical one for Yr Wylorn. 

This bwlch has a grassed ditch and small raised embankment crossing it and therefore its critical point proved difficult to judge.  After collecting data we proceeded to the summit of Mynydd Perthi.  As the Trimble gathered data from this summit I stood with my back to the drizzle which was developing into rain and waited patiently for another data set to be stored.  During the day Fergal and I chatted about a number of things and I thanked him for being patient, as it isn’t everyone who would wait in grey drizzly conditions whilst the Trimble recorded all the data sets during the day, he did so without complaint.

Gathering data at the summit of Mynydd Perthi

On our way to the summit of our last hill of the day; Yr Wylorn I quickly set the Trimble up on the connecting bwlch which is the critical one for Mynydd Perthi, and gathered five minutes of data.  The fourteenth and last data set of the day was on the heathery summit of Yr Wylorn and once the equipment was closed down and packed away we headed down toward the bwlch and connected up with a green track that brought us back to my car.

The fourteenth and last data set of the day at the summit of Yr Wylorn

It proved a good day on the hill with Fergal and as I switched my car radio on to listen to the uncomfortable goings on at Twickenham, Fergal zoomed off in pursuit of another Pedwar to add to his growing number.  

  

Postscript:  

Since the survey of these hills full LIDAR coverage is now available.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height and positional data that is now freely available for England and Wales.  Consequently the numerical details for these hills have been analysed using this technique, resulting in the LIDAR height and position for some of these hills being prioritised in preference to that produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000.



Survey Result:



Summit Height:  486.7m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 96320 73629

Bwlch Height:  434.7m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 95566 75036

Drop:  52.0m

Dominance:  10.69%





Cefn Penlan

Summit Height:  481.6m (LIDAR)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 95223 75555 & SN 95230 75553 (LIDAR)

Bwlch Height:  458.3m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 94615 75528 (LIDAR) 

Drop:  23.2m (LIDAR)

Dominance:  4.82% (LIDAR)





Drysgol

Summit Height:  483.7m (converted to OSGM15, from subsequent Leica GS15 survey)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 94626 74408 (from subsequent Leica GS15 survey)

Bwlch Height:  454.3m (LIDAR) 

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 93907 75683 (LIDAR)

Drop:  29.5m (Leica GS15 summit and LIDAR bwlch) (Pedwar reclassified to 400m Sub-Pedwar)

Dominance:  6.09% (Leica GS15 summit and LIDAR bwlch)





Bryn Titli

Summit Height:  492.7m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 93383 75719 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  472.7m (converted to OSGM15, height relative to Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 93192 76017 (LIDAR)

Drop:  20.0m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR with height relative to Trimble GeoXH 6000 bwlch) (400m Sub-Pedwar addition)

Dominance:  4.06% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR with height relative to Trimble GeoXH 6000 bwlch)






Summit Height:  495.7m (converted to OSGM15) (from previous Leica 530 survey)
   
Summit Grid Reference:  SN 93038 76169 (from previous Leica 530 survey)

Bwlch Height:  436.8m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 93726 74215 (LIDAR)

Drop:  58.8m (Leica 530 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  11.87% (Leica 530 summit and LIDAR bwlch)





Garreg Lwyd

Summit Height:  498.1m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)  498.1m (converted to OSGM15, from previous Leica 530 survey)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 94214 73326 (Trimble GeoXH 6000 & Leica 530)

Bwlch Height:  293.35m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 98249 75097 (LIDAR)

Drop:  204.8m (Leica 530 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  41.11% (Leica 530 summit and LIDAR bwlch)




Mynydd Perthi

Summit Height:  457.0m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 95321 72719 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  430.5m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 95572 72577 (LIDAR)

Drop:  26.5m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch) (400m Sub-Pedwar addition)

Dominance:  5.80% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)




Yr Wylorn

Summit Height:  473.8m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SN 95990 72409 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  418.8m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SN 95208 73205 (LIDAR)

Drop:  55.0m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  11.60% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)




For further details please consult the Trimble survey spreadsheet click {here}