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Tuesday, 19 May 2026

Mapping Mountains - Summit Relocations – The 500-Metre Tops of England and Wales – Deweys

 

Foel Fawr (SH 728 392) 

There has been a Summit Relocation that is retrospective to a hill that is listed in the The 500-Metre Tops of England and Wales, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill confirmed by a Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey conducted by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams on the 19th July 2020.

Foel Fawr (SH 728 392)

The criteria for the list that this summit relocation applies to are:

The 500-Metre Tops of England and Wales are affectionately known after their hill list compiler; Michael Dewey.  This list mixes metric and imperial height in its criteria to bookend up to the 2000ft height band and takes in all hills in England, Isle of Man and Wales that are 500m and above and below 2000ft (609.6m) in height that have 30m minimum drop. 

Mountain tables by Michael Dewey

Michael Dewey died on the 5th November 2022.  His wife; Gillian wished for this list to be carried on and made provision for it to be co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips.  Michael will always be the compiler and originator, it’s just that he’s now got a co-author to safeguard this list and carry this list on.

The name the hill is listed by is Foel Fawr and it is adjoined to the Arenig Fach group of hills, which are situated in the central part of North Wales, and it is positioned with the B4391 road to its north, the A470 road to its west and the A4212 road to its south, and has the village of Trawsfynydd towards the south-west.

When the original list of Deweys appeared in the Mountain tables book published by Constable in 1995, this hill was listed with a 528m summit height positioned at SH 726 395, based on the spot height that appears on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

Since the original compilation of this list there have been a number of Ordnance Survey maps made available online, some of these are historic such as the series of Six-Inch maps on the National Library of Scotland website, whilst others are current and digitally updated such as the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local that was hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, and it was this map that showed a 528m map heighted twin summit positioned at SH 728 392.  The two 528m spot heights are also shown on the mapping hosted on the Magic Maps website. 

Extract from the Magic Maps website

However, it was not until the survey with the Trimble GeoXH 6000 that the details for this hill could be accurately re-assessed.  The height and position for each summit is given below: 

 

South-easterly summit:  528.611m at SH 72872 39284 

North-westerly summit:  527.542m at SH 72621 39476 

 

The above detail compared to the original summit position comes within the parameters of the Summit Relocations used within this page heading, these parameters are: 

The term Summit Relocations applies when the high point of the hill is found to be positioned; in a different field, to a different feature such as in a conifer plantation,  within a different map contour either on Ordnance Survey maps or interactive mapping, to a different point where a number of potential summit positions are within close proximity, when natural ground or the natural and intact summit of a hill is confirmed compared to a higher point such as a raised field boundary or covered reservoir that is considered a relatively recent man-made construct, or the listing of a new twin summit or de-twinning of a summit, or a relocation of approximately 100 metres or more in distance from either the position of a map spot height or from where the summit of the hill was previously thought to exist. 

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 gathering data at the higher of the Foel Fawr summits

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 gathering data at the lower of the Foel Fawr summits

Therefore, the summit height produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey is 528.6m and this is positioned at SH 72872 39284, this position is not given a spot height on contemporary Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer maps, but is given a 528m spot height on the mapping hosted on the Magic Maps website, and is approximately 260 metres south-eastward from where the original listed summit is positioned. 

 

The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Arenig Fach

Name:  Foel Fawr

OS 1:50,000 map:  124

Summit Height:  528.6m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference (New Position):  SH 72872 39284 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)  

Bwlch Height:  485.5m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 73074 39525 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Drop:  43.1m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and bwlch)

 

Myrddyn Phillips (May 2026)

 

Saturday, 31 October 2020

Mapping Mountains – Summit Relocations – 500m Twmpau and Welsh Highlands – Uchafion Cymru


Foel Fawr (SH 728 392)

There has been a Summit Relocation to a hill that is listed in the 500m Twmpau and the Welsh Highlands – Uchafion Cymru, with the summit height, bwlch height and their locations, the drop and status of the hill derived from a Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey conducted by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams on the 19th July 2020.

Foel Fawr (SH 728 392)

The criteria for the two listings that this summit relocation applies to are:

500m Twmpau – Welsh hills at or above 500m and below 600m in height that have 30m minimum drop, with an accompanying sub category entitled the 500m Sub-Twmpau consisting of all Welsh hills at or above 500m and below 600m in height that have 20m or more and below 30m of drop.  With the word Twmpau being an acronym standing for thirty welsh metre prominences and upward.  The list is authored by Myrddyn Phillips and is published on Mapping Mountains in Google Doc format.

The 500m Twmpau by Myrddyn Phillips

Welsh Highlands – Uchafion Cymru This is the revised draft title for the Welsh 500m P15s list that takes in all hills in Wales at or above 500m in height with 15m minimum drop.  The list is co-authored by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams with the Introduction to the list being published on Mapping Mountains in November 2015 and an update relating to the list appearing on Mapping Mountains on the 19th June 2019.

The Welsh Highlands - Uchafion Cymru by Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams

The name the hill is listed by is Foel Fawr and it is adjoined to the Arenig Fach group of hills, which are situated in the north-western part of North Wales (Region A, Sub-Region A2), and it is positioned with the B4391 road to its north, the A470 road to its west and the A4212 road to its south, and has the village of Trawsfynydd towards the south-west.

When the original list of Welsh 500m P15s that later became known as Yr Uchafion and latterly as The Welsh Highlands – Uchafion Cymru was first compiled, this hill was listed with an estimated c 41m of drop based on the 528m summit spot height that appears on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map and which is positioned at SH 72620 39472, and an estimated c 487m bwlch height, based on interpolation of 10m contouring between 480m - 490m.

Extract from the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map

Since first compilation of the Welsh 500m P15 list there have been a number of Ordnance Survey maps made available online, some of these are historic such as the series of Six-Inch maps on the National Library of Scotland website, whilst others are current and digitally updated such as the Ordnance Survey Vector Map Local that was hosted on the Geograph website and which was entitled the Interactive Coverage Map, and it was this map that showed a 528m map heighted twin summit positioned at SH 72873 39268.  The two 528m spot heights are also shown on the mapping hosted on the Magic Maps website.

Extract from the Magic Maps website

However, it was not until the survey with the Trimble GeoXH 6000 that the details for this hill could be accurately re-assessed.  The height and position for each summit is given below:


South-easterly summit:  528.611m at SH 72872 39284

North-westerly summit:  527.542m at SH 72621 39476


The above detail compared to the prioritised summit previously given comes within the parameters of the Summit Relocations used within this page heading, these parameters are:

The term Summit Relocations applies when the high point of the hill is found to be positioned; in a different field, to a different feature such as in a conifer plantation,  within a different map contour either on Ordnance Survey maps or interactive mapping, to a different point where a number of potential summit positions are within close proximity, when natural ground or the natural and intact summit of a hill is confirmed compared to a higher point such as a raised field boundary or covered reservoir that is considered a relatively recent man-made construct, or the listing of a new twin summit or de-twinning of a summit, or a relocation of approximately 100 metres or more in distance from either the position of a map spot height or from where the summit of the hill was previously thought to exist.

Gathering data at the higher of the Foel Fawr summits

Gathering data at the lower of the Foel Fawr summits

Therefore, the summit height produced by the Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey is 528.6m and this is positioned at SH 72872 39284, this position is not given a spot height on contemporary Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger and 1:25,000 Explorer maps, but is given a 528m spot height on the interactive mapping hosted on the Magic Maps website, and is approximately 260 metres south-eastward from where the previously listed and prioritised summit is positioned.


ills of Wales, and are reproduced below@
The full details for the hill are:

Group:  Arenig Fach

Name:  Foel Fawr

OS 1:50,000 map:  124

Summit Height:  528.6m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference (New Position):  SH 72872 39284
  
Bwlch Height:  485.5m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 73074 39525

Drop:  43.1m


Myrddyn Phillips and Aled Williams (October 2020)






Wednesday, 28 October 2020

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Arenig Fach


19.07.20  Foel Fawr (SH 728 392), Foel Fawr (SH 726 394), Pt. 501.4m (SH 730 397) and Pt. 499.9m (SH 731 395)  

Foel Fawr (SH 728 392)

Between Llyn Trawsfynydd to the west and Llyn Conglog Mawr to the east lie a compact group of hills with Graig Wen (SH 739 394) the highest.  These hills are open with few fences and are bounded on the north by an invasive conifer plantation.  The summits overlook many small lakes and pools, each adding depth of variety and perspective to the landscape.  These hills seldom draw me back, but on the times I’ve visited they never disappoint.

Today I met Aled for our first walk together since earlier this year in January.  Covid-19 and its affects have altered many things and one was the travelling restriction which impacted greatly upon visiting the hills.  With this restriction now lifted it was good to be out again with a number of surveys planned.

We met close to Llyn Trawsfynydd and soon had our cars parked at the beginning of the track leading to Llyn yr Oerfel.  Behind the lake our first hill of the day; Foel Fawr, rose in a great bulk of steepening grass.  The continuation of the track led to the Braich-ddu Quarry with a vehicle track on the near moor leading us higher toward the southern ridge of Foel Fawr, and the first of its two 528m twin map heighted summits.

The two Foel Fawr summits with the old prioritised summit position on the left and the new higher summit on the right

This summit has a marvellous backdrop with the higher Eryli peaks lined one after another with the Moelwynion prominent and the distinctive profile of Moelwyn Mawr and Moelwyn Bach rising directly behind the large cairn atop the second and more northerly of the hill’s twin map heighted summits.  Once data were gathered and stored from the first summit and the connecting bwlch we were soon beside the cairn with the Trimble again gathering its allotted data.

The lower cairned summit of Foel Fawr with Moelwyn Bach and Moelwyn Mawr as backdrop

Gathering data from the summit of Foel Fawr

The main objective of the walk was to visit and hopefully survey a forested hill that is given a small 500m ring contour on the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 Explorer map and a 504m spot height on Magic Maps and on the mapping on the WalkLakes website.  Its connecting bwlch is placed in a rather unsavoury and daunting looking bog.  We had come prepared with a series of ten figure grid references and hoped to take data from each point.

As the Trimble gathered data from the first position, which like all others was in a watery realm, Aled headed in to the conifers armed with an axe.  I then spent the next ten minutes listening to the quiet beep emanating from the survey equipment as each data point was collected and the ever distant crack of branches as Aled carved a way uphill toward the summit.  As he emerged back close to the bwlch he reported that the lower slopes were relatively easy but the higher slopes leading toward the summit were a mess, with numerous wind-blown trees now felled at all angles across the ground.

Gathering data at the first bog survey

Following Aled in to the confines we veered to the right and kept below the wind-blown trees which proved an easier route than the one Aled had investigated on his preliminary foray.  Just before the felled trees were encountered we came upon an unexpected crag, which is quite substantial and now left immersed in the confines of regimented conifers.

The crag leading toward the summit of the new forested Uchaf

The assault course now started, it was never too difficult and soon we had clambered our way over, under and through numerous trees and found the summit just beyond a small area that had direct sunlight breaking through the forest and a view of the sky which gave hope for data collection.  The high point consisted of a flat rock and we quickly devised a system to measure the offset between it and the Trimble placement with it sitting atop my rucksack which was on a conveniently felled tree giving it elevation above its surrounds.  Considering where we were it achieved its 0.1m accuracy level before data should be logged relatively quickly and we sat and chatted as it gathered its allotted data.  Reversing our inward route through the wind-blown felled trees we emerged in to the upright mature forest and contoured around the lower part of the plantation aiming for our next survey in the watery bog.  By keeping in the forest we avoided the impossibility of bog walking which may have proved hazardous!

Aled at the summit with the Trimble

Gathering data on the summit area of the new forested Uchaf

The ten figure grid reference Aled produced for the next survey which was listed as the connecting bwlch for the forested hill, was in the centre of a pool, which made me smile when I pinpointed it on the mapping on the OS Maps website.  As we emerged out of the conifer plantation we were back in the bog, thankfully a semblance of dryish ground led around its reed infested quagmire toward the pool.  I proceeded to set the Trimble up atop my rucksack on a large sponged grass tussock, measured the offset between its internal antenna and the ground at its base and as it beeped away collecting data, I lay across two tussocks close by, and considering the surrounding conditions I remained remarkably dry.

Gathering data beside the small pool

The next point to survey was a 499m map heighted top and Aled encouraged its bwlch to also be surveyed.  This proved to be beside a series of pools glinting blue in the late afternoon sunshine.  Once bwlch data were gathered and stored we headed for the last summit and sat in the warming conditions as another five minutes of data were gathered.

Beside the small lake heading toward the bwlch that connects with Pt. 499.9m

All that remained was another investigation of the bog to our immediate east which connects with Foel Fawr.  We’d already taken two data sets from its waters and with an elevated view we now decided to take two more, one from between the two main large pools which are connected via smaller channels and the last from the edge of the southerly pool.  Considering how horrendous this looked it proved relatively easy to accomplish.

The penultimate bog survey

The route back to the awaiting cars

All that remained was the walk out following a track-bed contouring around the southern ridge of Foel Fawr, which in time connected with our inward route and led back to the track leading to Llyn yr Oerfel.


Postscript:

Since surveying these hills full LIDAR coverage is now available.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height and positional data that is now freely available for England and Wales.  Consequently the numerical details for these hills have been analysed using this technique, and where appropriate LIDAR has been used in preference to that produced by the Trimble. 




Survey Result:



Foel Fawr
  
Summit Height:  528.6m (converted to OSGM15) (confirmed as higher than the top positioned at SH 72621 39476)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72872 39284 (summit relocation) (Dewey summit relocation)

Bwlch Height:  485.5m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 73074 39525

Drop:  43.1m

Dominance:  8.15%





Foel Fawr 
 
Summit Height:  527.5m (converted to OSGM15) (confirmed as lower than the top positioned at SH 72872 39284)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72621 39476

Bwlch Height:  515.5m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72742 39451 (LIDAR)

Drop:  12.0m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  2.28% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch) 





Pt. 501.4m 
 
Summit Height:  501.4m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 73011 39784 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  485.7m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 73070 39636 (LIDAR)

Drop:  15.7m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch) (Uchaf addition)

Dominance:  3.13% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)





Pt. 499.9m 
 
Summit Height:  499.9m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 73187 39525 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  490.0m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 73453 39600 (LIDAR)

Drop:  9.9m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  1.98% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)