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Monday, 10 October 2016

The Guardian – Prospective Ordnance Survey Datum Change and the effect on Mountain Heights


The Guardian online have published a piece on the prospective reclassification to some of the hills in Britain if Ordnance Survey changed the height of their datum point based on current or future mean sea level. 

The original article and a link to it on The Guardian website appear below.



Rising sea levels could reduce several UK mountains to hills

Some peaks that are just a few centimetres above minimum height face being downgraded amid advancing seas.

The Isle of Skye in Scotland, one of the Munro group of mountains

Rising sea levels could topple the proud status of some British mountains, reducing them to the status of mere hills. Those in greatest danger of demotion include a peak in the Yorkshire Dales that was only reclassified as a mountain a few weeks ago.

The Ordnance Survey (OS) uses mean sea level as the starting point for measuring the absolute height of mountains, which must be a at least 609.6 metres (2,000ft) above sea level – but several peaks in England, Scotland and Wales are only a few centimetres taller than that.

Mean sea level, the halfway mark between high and low tides, is measured by a gauge at Newlyn in Cornwall. But the point used by the OS was established almost a century ago, and since then sea levels have risen and are continuing to rise at an accelerating rate, mainly through climate change.

“We have to measure from a fixed point, and there are no immediate proposals for a change, but rising sea levels could obviously be a factor if there is a change in the future,” an OS spokesman said. “Clearly if the fixed point was taken from a higher level, the heights measured would drop by the same amount, and that certainly could affect many hills and mountains.”

Thack Moor in Cumbria, which was only recently reclassified as a mountain


Calf Top in the Yorkshire Dales only achieved mountain status in September, after the OS determined its true height is a few centimetres taller than was concluded when it was last measured in 2010, putting it just over the required height for a mountain. Any change in the base point would knock it back down again.

Myrddyn Phillips is an amateur surveyor who worked on Calf Top with Hill Data and Mountain Surveys, one of several amateur groups whose hours of unpaid work, out on the slopes in all weathers, has produced new data that has been accepted by the authorities.

Thack Moor in Cumbria also recently became a mountain through Phillips’s work with John Barnard and Graham Jackson, of G&J Surveys. Their measurements, repeated at the request of the OS, confirmed its true height was just 2cm over the 609.6-metre qualifier. 

Phillips was enthusiastic about the possibility of change: “That would be fantastic; on the whole I like change.

“It will be incredibly interesting if Ordnance Survey change their datum point as this will affect all known heights throughout Britain, and even if this change equates to only 40-45cm it will affect a multitude of hill and mountain classifications,” he said. 

Looking toward Tryfan in the Snowdonia National Park, north Wales, the hill is part of the Nuttall group of hills

A change could affect the status of many sites cherished by walkers who like to tackle all the mountains in a group, including the Munros in Scotland, which are all over 914 metres (3,000ft), the slightly less challenging 762-metre (2,500ft) Corbetts, and the Hewitts, Nuttalls and Deweys in England and Wales.

“In a general sense it does not matter whether a peak is classified as a hill, mountain, Munro or a Pedwar [a hill in Wales between 400-499 metres], but we do seem to have an inner need to categorise and this is as applicable to hills as any other form of commodity,” Phillips said.

“Certainly for the hill bagging community it is essential to get hill classifications correct, and it is also justifiable to say this in relation to the wider hill walking community as there are upwards of 6,000 people who have now completed the Munros and probably twice as many working their way through this list, and all of these people will want to know that they have completed each and every Munro that should be listed.”

He acknowledged that many people would be upset if their cherished mountain view was downgraded but insisted it would be an exciting process.

“As I am a person who is open to change this would also cause a lot of fun as there would be a Munro reclassified to Corbett status, a Corbett reclassified to Graham status, Simms would disappear, Hewitts and Nuttals would become Deweys, a Dewey would become a Pedwar and a number of Pedwarau would become 300m Twmpau hills.”




Sunday, 9 October 2016

Prospective Ordnance Survey Datum Change and the effect on Mountain Heights


The Sunday Times have published a piece on the prospective reclassification to some of the hills in Britain if Ordnance Survey changed the height of their datum point based on current or future mean sea level. 

The Sunday Times article this morning

Mean sea level is regarded to have increased in height since the second geodetic levelling was completed by Ordnance Survey in 1921 and the third in 1956, both of which were based from measurements taken at Newlyn.

It is now accepted that sea levels are rising by around 1½ inches (4cm) per decade, and it is almost 100 years since the second geodetic levelling at Newlyn was completed, based on these simplified figures mean sea level would be approximately 40cm higher nowadays compared to the height of the current mean sea level datum point. 

If Ordnance Survey updated their datum point in a decade's time the height difference between the current point at Newlyn and an updated datum point would be approximately 40-45cm.  The hills that have been accurately surveyed by GPS/GNSS equipment that will be affected if Ordnance Survey alter their datum point, and therefore all known heights throughout Britain are reduced by 40-45cm appear below.


The Munros (Scotland, 3,000ft minimum height and above):

Beinn Teallach    914.6m summit height at NN 36139 85964.

 
The Leica set-up position on Beinn Teallach, sometimes it can get a wee bit windy on these Munros!


Corbetts (Scotland, 2,500ft and above and below 3,000ft in height with 500ft minimum drop):

Beinn na h-Uamha    762.4m summit height at NM 91719 66415.




Simms (Britain, 600m minimum height with 30m minimum drop):

Y Gribin    600.4m summit height at SH 84356 17712.

Foel Lwyd    600.1m summit height at SH 72040 72326.

Alan Dawson beside the Leica RX1250 at the summit of Y Gribin


Hewitts (England and Wales, 2,000ft minimum height with 30m minimum drop):

Nuttalls (Englland and Wales, 2,000ft Minimum height with 15m minimum drop):

Bloodybush Edge    609.8m summit height at NT 90223 14342.

Thack Moor    609.65m summit height at NY 61166 46278.

Calf Top    609.61m summit height at SD 66450 85624.

Tal y Fan    610.0m summit height at SH 72936 72648.

Mynydd Graig Goch    609.75m summit height at SH 49732 48518.


Thack Moor

Calf Top

Tal y Fan

Deweys (England, Wales and Isle of Man, 500m and above and below 609.6m (2,oooft) in height with 30m minimum drop):

Ffridd yr Allt Llwyd    500.4m summit height at SH 79724 29615.


Jo Barnard beside the Leica equipment on the summit of Ffridd yr Allt Llwyd


Y Pedwarau (Wales, 400m and above and below 500m in height with 30m minimum drop):

Craig y Dduallt    400.3m (converted to OSGM15) summit height at SJ 23280 40062.

Moel Tywysog    400.2m (converted to OSGM15)  summit height at SH 98480 65714.

Mynydd Deulyn    400.1m (converted to OSGM15) summit height at SH 75936 61265.


The summit of Moel Tywysog
 
The summit cairn atop Mynydd Deulyn

The above only take in a small percentage of the listings that have been compiled, and there are other listings that use a minimum height in their criteria, such as the Grahams and The Fours, but there are no hills that have been accurately surveyed with GPS/GNSS receiver within these listings that would be affected.  However, there are also a multitude of hills in all sorts of listings that are near to threshold minimum heights that have not yet been accurately surveyed by Differential GPS.  Therefore the overall changes within hill listings caused by a change and updating by Ordnance Survey of their datum point would be dramatic.

Myrddyn Phillips (October 2016)



The Times website

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