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Monday, 19 October 2026

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Yr Wyddfa


07.07.26  Yr Wyddfa (SH 609 543, only bwlch surveyed)

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 and Leica Gs15 gathering data at the summit of Yr Wyddfa

In September 2014 along with Graham Jackson and John Barnard I surveyed the summit of Yr Wyddfa.  In attendance was Mark Greaves representing Ordnance Survey.  It was Mark who later processed the gathered data.  Our endeavours were filmed by Stephen Edwards of Cread Cyf and Aled Llŷr, with the film appearing on ITV Wales.

The summit architecture of Yr Wyddfa has changed over many years, with all manner of structures being built.  These have consisted of huts where horses were stabled and the Victorian tourists who ascended on them could rest, take in the view, if indeed one existed and recover from their exploits before the journey back down the mountain.

Over time huts evolved in to a hotel and latterly a summit café.  However, these constructions did not limit themselves to the ground surrounding the summit, they also took in the summit itself, with massive cairns of stone, a flag pole and latterly a summit plinth with a weather station and identification plague on top of what is fashioned to resemble a triangulation pillar.  This stands atop the aforementioned plinth which has been constructed over the natural summit tor.  Thankfully we have a bench mark height to the bedrock which can supposedly still be accessed from a small window on the side of the weather station.  It was the wisdom of Ordnance Survey who installed the bench mark and documented its height, as all we could do when resurveying the summit of Yr Wyddfa was take a measurement to the concrete plinth, which is an obvious man-made addition to the height of the mountain.

As with many listings, the qualification whether a hill should be included is dependent upon its drop.  This is the height difference between its summit and bwlch that connects to the next higher summit along its watershed.  The approximate position of the Yr Wyddfa bwlch had been known for many years and to my knowledge was first documented by Alan Dawson.  This connecting bwlch is positioned beside the Forth and Clyde canal in Scotland.

The Ordnance Survey give a 46m spot height on the 1:25,000 Explorer map at NS 76804 78578, which could be where the critical point of this bwlch is positioned.  However, map study shows two burns descending southward from the hillside above the small community of Kelvinhead.  As these two burns near the canal one heads westward and the other eastward, suggesting that the bwlch is positioned on ground between the two.  This is the best available evidence we have at the moment for the position of this bwlch, until LIDAR becomes available for this part of the country.

This was a survey I had wanted to do for many years, but opportunity was limited as I now rarely venture north in to Scotland.  However, with an offer to stay accompanied by John Kirk, in Mark Trengove and his wife’s newly built second home in Laide in Wester Ross, this gave us the prospect to survey this bwlch on our way north.

Arriving at Mark’s at midday we quickly packed my gear in his car and he then proceeded to drive to John’s in Burnley where we over-nighted before John took over the driving duties heading north.  As the hours of travel slowly ticked by the weather became more inclement with fine drizzled spots of rain hitting the windscreen.  By the time we left the M80 and drove in to Kelvinhead the sky was coloured light grey and light rain interspersed with more drizzle met us as I quickly got my walking boots on for the walk down to the canal. 

Heading down the path toward the bwlch

John seemed to know this area well and we followed him toward the gate giving access to the narrow path leading down beside what turned out to be one of the burns, which only showed its watery trickle as we approached the canal.  This burn was on our right as we descended, whilst the burn on our left was no more than a slight indentation consisting of lots of greenery, which as least intimated that water was in fact present. 

Nearing the bwlch

A gate gave further access to the canal towpath, and it was close to this gate where the majority of our efforts were concentrated, as all ground on the path descended to this point and beyond the gate all ground went uphill for a short distance to the canal towpath.  On our way through the gate we had a quick discussion where we considered the critical point to be positioned.  We then visited the canal which was unexpectedly wide at this point.  The surprise at its width was based on the experience of my local Montgomeryshire canal where two narrow boats crossing would be the limit; this canal was like a river.  However, John later explained that this part consisted of a water basin where boats could pass without difficulty. 

Arriving on the canal towpath

We stood beside the water for a number of minutes with John pointing out the ditch on the far side of the canal.  If whilst on the valley to valley traverse the height of a cutting was taken as the critical point of the bwlch, the ditch formed a major difficulty in our endeavours as from this vantage point it looked lower on the hill to hill traverse, but again John explained that breaking the ditch is a bank that goes in the hill to hill direction, thus increasing the high point of the valley to valley traverse if following the ditch.  Therefore, it seemed we were safe in taking the ground close to the gate as the critical point for the bwlch of Yr Wyddfa. 

The western view of the canal

Looking south on the hill to hill traverse with the ditch evident adjacent to the opposing bank

The eastern view of the canal

Once a few photos of the canal were taken we backtracked to the gate and had a good inspection of the path and its downward passage toward this point.  We initially considered gathering data from the ground immediately through and at the base of the gate, but soon the Trimble was moved to the path leading toward the gate.  Ground hereabouts within a ten metre distance looked consistently flattish and with little margin of uncertainly for such a survey the Trimble was quickly positioned on my rucksack, which in instances like this forms a convenient makeshift tripod.  Once the 0.1m accuracy level was attained before data should be logged, I pressed ‘Log’ and headed back through the gate to stand away from the equipment as it gathered its customary five minutes of data. 

The Trimble GeoXH 6000 gathering data at the bwlch of Yr Wyddfa

After data were gathered and stored I closed the equipment down and took a series of photos from various directions of the Trimble in situ.  It was then packed away and we headed up the path toward the dry confines of John’s car.  On the way we met David Henderson on his quad bike with three attendant sheep dogs scampering after him.  I flagged him down for a chat. 

The northern view from the bwlch

The eastern view from the bwlch

The southern view from the bwlch

The western view from the bwlch

We spent a number of minutes with David; he told us he’s known as Dov by all his friends.  I happily explained the significant of the land he farms and specifically the point on the path no more than five minutes down from where we were now standing.  He didn’t look amazed, which was a disappointment and seemed to take in the critical nature of this point in his stride.  Aw well! 

The view further east

David Henderson with Bessie, Roy and Peggy

Leaving the bwlch

After leaving David we continued on the slight uphill leading back to the houses in Kelvinhead.  By now the intermittent rain and drizzle had in the main relented, just long enough for me to get my walking boots off and after a quick repositioning of my gear around the back seat of John’s car, we were away on our trip heading farther north in to the beautiful wilds of northern Scotland. 

  

Survey Result:


Yr Wyddfa

Summit Height:  1084.8m (converted to OSGM15) (Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit) 

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 60985 54374 (Old triangulation pillar and Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit) 

Bwlch Height:  47.6m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  NS 75797 78295 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Drop:  1037.2m (Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit and Trimble GeoXH 6000 bwlch)

Dominance:  95.61% (Ordnance Survey historical data to bedrock at summit and Trimble GeoXH 6000 bwlch)

 

 

My thanks to Alan Dawson with help processing these data

 

For details on the 1st summit survey of this hill

 

For details on the 2nd summit survey of this hill

 

For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet 

Friday, 10 June 2022

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Arenig Fach


18.04.22  Chwarel Graig Ddu (SH 725 455), Pt. 658.45m (SH 727 458), Pt. 643.1m (SH 727 460), Pt. 535.0m (SH 723 461), Pt. 516.9m (SH 724 465) and Pt. 519.2m (SH 721 463)

Chwarel Graig Ddu (SH 725 455)

A tremendous amount of activity has been directed toward the discovery and confirmation of hills for Welsh 2,000ft (609.6m) P15 status.  This can be traced back to the 1920s when Arthur St George Walsh first compiled his list to these hills.  Not surprisingly Arthur worked purely in imperial measurement with a 2,000ft minimum height and a 50ft minimum drop criteria, although we do not know his exact methods, we do know that he was meticulous in his cataloguing of hills for this list.

In the late 1980s John and Anne Nuttall compiled their guide to Welsh hills using this same criteria.  Importantly they developed a surveying method that enabled many marginal hills to be either included or set to one side.  Their list was later augmented with survey results produced by Dewi Jones and soon afterward by me.  During this time I compiled a Welsh list using 500m minimum height and 15m minimum drop, which under the co-authorship of Aled Williams has since evolved into The Welsh Highlands list.  A sub-set within this list is the higher tier above 609.6m in height.  This higher tier is not a duplication of John and Anne’s work, or earlier lists such as Walsh’s for that matter.  Ever since its first compilation it has included hills not in the Nuttall’s list; for example, Castell y Gwynt and Fronllwyd, and it has also excluded hills listed by the Nuttalls; for example, Carnedd y Ddelw and Pt. 637.1m.

The surveying activity for these criteria was significantly expanded by John Barnard, Graham Jackson and myself who concentrated on the marginal hills produced by my previous surveys.  Using a level and staff and Leica GNSS equipment dramatically increased the accuracy of the results.  This has now been expanded by the use of the Trimble GeoXH 6000 and the availability of LIDAR.  By now it seemed all possible hills that stood any chance of inclusion to this height and drop category had been surveyed.  But this premise was wrong.  One last hill lurked in the background awaiting discovery!

The potential of the hill in question was first spotted by Aled Williams whilst scrutinising online 5m map contouring.  This was approximately two years ago and this hill had been on our radar ever since as this map has an uppermost 610m contour and bwlch contours between 590m – 595m.  However, as this hill is a part of a working quarry our intention was to inspect it from adjacent hillsides and hopefully confirm its validity. 

The map giving 5m contours 

The hill in question is positioned above Blaenau Ffestiniog in the heartland of Welsh slate mining and not surprisingly it has been terra-formed due to quarrying activity.  Hills created by man-made influence are shunned by some people, but there are many similar hills throughout Wales that are now included in a variety of hill list categories.

We endeavour to use best available data on any given day for our Welsh Highlands list.  By doing so we believe it enables our list to be as up-to-date as possible, even if a hill may be included one day and then excluded a month later due to continued terra-forming removing it from qualifying existence.  The main qualifying factor outside of the relevant numerical criteria is that the hill is considered solid and stable.  A good test for this is to jump up and down on its summit, if it does not move then it passes the test.  However, in this case we could inspect from a distance.

We met at 7.00am in the Cae Clyd car park at Manod on the outskirts of Blaenau Ffestiniog.  The forecast was for sunny conditions with the possibility of a rogue shower materialising in the afternoon.  At this time in the morning we could have been excused for not believing this, as the cloud base was low obstructing all near hills. 

An old gate leading us on the footpath toward the hill

The cloud at least kept the temperature pleasant as we made our way to the end of the paved road and then continued on a track toward a public footpath.  This was the first time I had approached these hills from this direction and as we gained height the cloud rose with us, it seemed our timing was perfect. 

Misty early morning

Our route took us to Llyn y Manod.  In years gone by there was a fishing hut beside this lake, any vestige of this or its remains were out of view today as the mist still skimmed the land beside the lake as we approached. 

Llyn y Manod with Manod Bach rising above

From the lake an old quarry track leads up the western slopes of Manod Mawr which loomed above us as a great bulk of a hill.  This track meets the disused incline leading from the quarry down toward Blaenau Ffestiniog.  From here it was only a short walk to where the main quarry road emerged out of the still rising mist. 

Nearing the quarry road

At the intersection of the quarry road leading up toward the high point of our potential new hill the public footpath diverts around to its south and east.  This then climbs to meet the easterly slopes of the adjacent 658m map heighted hill.  From here we looked down on our potential new hill which has a quarry road passing over its summit area.  Because of this we knew that it was solid and stable. 

The intersection between the quarry road and the public footpath

On the summit of the 658m map heighted hill we met the only other person we saw on the hill all day.  He told us he had Covid and advised we keep our distance, when doing so I was standing downwind of him; I soon changed my position and thanked him for telling me so. 

Looking down on Chwarel Graig Ddu

We then Abneyed the summit of this hill and decided to gather data from the highest ground visible at the base of the large summit cairn.  The view from this summit is extensive and as my last visit to this hill was in March 2004 it was good to be back after a gap of 18 years. 

Approaching the high point of the day

To our west we watched as darkened cloud edged its way northward toward the high Glyderau and Carneddau.  It was now early afternoon and the cloud was thickening and even though threatening darkened cloud occasionally built up over the tops we visited, it remained dry, which for our purposes on the hill was welcome. 

Gathering data at the summit of Pt. 658.45m (SH 727 458)

We now had four potential sub hills to survey, the first of which was only a short distance below us.  I had surveyed this first small prominence hill with a basic levelling staff in August 1998 and the other three in October 2005, and Aled had compared my results to his interpolation of the 5m contouring available online.  With the aid of the Trimble GeoXH 6000 we could now put accurate heights and positions to each of these four hills.

One of the joys of surveying is the places such a pastime takes you to, and these potential sub hills did just that, as the land hereabouts is probably seldom visited.  But today it was quiet with light and shade across the landscape adding depth to perspective, with each hill in turn giving extensive and rewarding views.

After surveying the first potential sub we followed the line of a fence down steep ground to where a complicated series of summits and bylchau are placed.  Our three remaining hills where positioned relatively close to each other and therefore surveys came thick and fast. 

Gathering data at the summit of the third of four potential sub hills

Moel Penamnen

The summit of our penultimate hill gave views across Llyn Bowydd and Llyn Newydd to the shapely profile of Moel Penamnen.  This was our furthest northerly point during the day; from here we headed south surveying another potential sub on our way. 

Looking out toward Cnicht

Beside Llyn y Manod

From the summit of our last potential sub hill all that remained was the walk out aiming for the eastern shore of Llyn Du Bach, which connected us with a path leading toward the incline heading down from the higher tops toward the outskirts of Blaenau Ffestiniog.  We crossed this and made steady progress up to the earthen track leading to Llyn y Manod.  As we gained the track we rested, which for me was a welcome break. 

Late afternoon light

Manod Bach

Our remaining route followed the path on the eastern shore of the lake before joining our inward route from earlier in the day.  The atmospheric misted scene from early morning had long been replaced by blue skies, late afternoon warmth, extensive views and the knowledge that the main aim of the day had been completed.


Postscript

Since surveying these hills full LIDAR coverage is now available.  The LIDAR (Light Detection & Ranging) technique produced highly accurate height and positional data that is now freely available for England and Wales.  Consequently the numerical details for these hills have been analysed using this technique, and where appropriate these results appear below. 

 

Survey Result: 

 

Chwarel Graig Ddu

Summit Height:  613.3m (LIDAR)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72504 45533 (LIDAR)

Bwlch Height:  592.2m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72456 45744 (LIDAR)

Drop:  21.1m (LIDAR) (Uchaf addition) (600m Sub-Twmpau addition)

Dominance:  3.44% (LIDAR)

 

 

Pt. 658.45m

Summit Height:  658.45m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72741 45844 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  593.9m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72903 45460 (LIDAR)

Drop:  64.6m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  9.81% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

 

 

Pt. 643.1m

Summit Height:  643.1m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72780 46053

Bwlch Height:  633.0m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72816 46026

Drop:  10.1m

Dominance:  1.57%

 

 

Pt. 535.0m

Summit Height:  535.0m (converted to OSGM15, average of this and a second subsequent Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72348 46195

Bwlch Height:  525.0m (converted to OSGM15, from subsequent Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72391 46232 (from subsequent Trimble GeoXH 6000 survey)

Drop:  10.0m

Dominance:  1.87%

 

 

Pt. 516.9m

Summit Height:  516.9m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72414 46598

Bwlch Height:  507.0m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72346 46467

Drop:  9.9m

Dominance:  1.92%

 

 

Pt. 519.2m

Summit Height:  519.2m (converted to OSGM15)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 72188 46369

Bwlch Height:  509.6m (converted to OSGM15)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 72312 46434

Drop:  9.6m

Dominance:  1.85%F

 

 

For details on the 2nd survey of Pt. 535.0m (SH 723 461)


For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet

  

Monday, 11 April 2022

Mapping Mountains – Trimble Surveys – Arenig Fawr

 

25.02.22  Mynydd Nodol (SH 865 393) 

Mynydd Nodol (SH 865 393)

Having visited and surveyed Moel Heulog (SH 987 353) I wanted a relatively easy hill to visit before continuing my way toward Nantlle for the weekend with my brother, and Mynydd Nodol ticked all boxes, especially as it is over 500m and qualifies for Dewey status and I had only visited its heathery domain once before, in April 2000 when I remained on its summit for 10-15 minutes admiring the extensive view. 

Time between ascents, and especially ones encompassing 22 years have a tendency to create paths on hills where few previously existed.  These intervening years have also created online logs giving detail of various routes to the summit of this particular hill.  My previous route followed a fence line and I found going on its north easier than beside it on its south, picking up a narrow animal track that took me toward the upper section of the hill.  However, I remember the going was rough in places.  One online log mentioned a path to the south of this fence and as a convenient parking spot close to the start of a track gave access to this fence, this was my chosen route of ascent for the day. 

Leaving my car I joined the track heading directly northward across the western flank of Mynydd Nodol.  The sun cast colour across the land with shadowed patches accentuating the darkened heather, of which there was plenty. 

Mynydd Nodol from the track leading to the disused tip

The track led past a disused tip and proceeded to lose a little height before connecting with the fence line that then strode confidently upward toward the summit.  I left the track at its high point having spotted what I thought a sheep track through the heather, this meandered uphill as a path, always on the south of the fence which was about 20-30 metres away.  The path gave relatively easy progress uphill and only petered out toward the top. 

Arenig Fach and Llyn Celyn

As I headed up I could see an aerial positioned on the summit and suspected it had been set up by a SOTA enthusiast, as I neared the point where the fence joins the summit ridge the person who had set it up was heading my way, we stopped and chatted for ten minutes or so.  He had already been to the top of Arenig Fach earlier in the day and wanted to visit the summit of Carnedd y Filiast before nightfall, my humble two little hill surveying day felt inadequate by comparison! 

Arenig Fawr

I watched him start to descend toward the path I had used on my ascent before I headed across to the ridge path and the large cairn that marks the summit of this hill.  It felt good to be back, but with a gap of 22 years since my only visit I suspect it will be the last time I venture to this particular hill.  Over the intervening years I had passed Mynydd Nodol an inordinate amount of times travelling west and heading back east on the A4212 road beside Llyn Celyn.  When visibility permitted I would always have a quick glance toward the top of Mynydd Nodol and wonder when my next visit would be.  One hill after another always, until today, got in the way, as they are prone to do. 

The 22 year wait for my second visit did not disappoint as the view from the summit was as I remembered; extensive, and although on my previous visit I had spent a number of minutes looking out toward the many hills that are on view, my priority today was to establish the high point of the hill and survey it.  LIDAR gives two options for the summit, both close to one another, with a further point nearer the fence only just lower.  With reports of Abney level surveys on the Hill Bagging website giving a rock beside the large summit cairn as 20cm higher than the point beside the fence.  I assessed the lay of land from a number of directions and came to the same conclusion that the rock beside the cairn was the highest point of the hill. 

LIDAR image of Mynydd Nodol (SH 865 393)

As a brisk breeze blew across the upper part of the hill I secured my rucksack in place with two substantial rocks, one on either side, before placing the Trimble on top aligned with the high point of the rock below, before noting the measurement offset between its internal antenna and the rock at its base.  It only took a couple of minutes for the equipment to attain the 0.1m accuracy level before data should be logged and it was soon then activated to gather data. 

During data collection I stood behind the large cairn out of view of the equipment and let it gather its customary five minutes of data.  Once data were gathered and stored I closed the equipment down, took a few photographs and packed it away. 

Gathering data at the summit of Mynydd Nodol

Leaving the summit I looked back to it as I re-joined the ridge path, after all this would probably be my last visit to this hill.  This feeling of finality has only just entered my conscience; it is due to age and the realisation of time between ascents, it is also the realisation of however many hills there are in Wales, there are always new ones to prioritise and visit. 

I met and chatted with a couple on my way down, the man originated from Aberystwyth and the woman from Cardiff.  They had lived in Y Bala for eight years, so Mynydd Nodol is one of their local hills.  They were on the initial part of the path as it leaves the track.  I waved my goodbyes after ten minutes or so and made my way down to the track, as I did so I peered up and the blue sky from earlier in the day had now been replaced with high cloud giving a late afternoon feel to proceedings. 

 

Survey Result: 

 

Mynydd Nodol

Summit Height:  540.0m (converted to OSGM15, Trimble GeoXH 6000) (significant height revision) (Deweys significant height revision)

Summit Grid Reference:  SH 86514 39339 (Trimble GeoXH 6000)

Bwlch Height:  370.8m (LIDAR)

Bwlch Grid Reference:  SH 85660 39014 (LIDAR)

Drop:  169.2m (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

Dominance:  31.34% (Trimble GeoXH 6000 summit and LIDAR bwlch)

 

 

For further details please consult the Trimble Survey Spreadsheet